Newbie needs support!

Dear Christine,

I have to say I am not surprised at your response to me, though a little saddened, and perhaps hurt, though intellectually I know that you are not trying to hurt me.

Perhaps you are right in your belief that I am not fully "behind" your theories, does that put me against you? In my opinion no, in yours yes. It is simply two different points of view that you can't seem to reconcile, and that is PRECISELY the reason I don't post here anymore. Don't then wonder why women come here, and then leave, we leave because we aren't welcome, it is as simple as that.

I have truly supported and bought MANY of your products as you well know, I have advocated your workout, your diet book, and you, here and elsewhere, but sadly that doesn't seem to be enough for you. You seem to want to encourage indoctrination, rather than participation, and that I will never be a part of because that is heading into very dangerous ground in my opinion.

I am not sure what your comment about my prolapse being mild is all about? Mild on a day to day basis perhaps, but not mild enough for me to be able to run marathons again without a great deal of discomfort. Are you saying that my prolapse is TOO mild for your techniques to work? Surely the milder it is, the better it should respond?

I know you can't bear the fact that the posture does not support my prolapse enough to run, but that is a fact, and I am not going to exaggerate or say otherwise to you, or anyone else. The fact that you push your principles as the ONLY truth rings warning bells for me I am afraid. Nothing is that cut and dry, that simple. I will always base my beliefs on proven science, that is who I am, and therefore it is here that we will part company.

I wish you all the best in all that you continue to do. I feel a little sad that it always seems to come to this here, that women seem to leave on uncertain terms, but I am learning that that is just the way it works. I learned that a while back, but I guess that I am just now really experiencing it for myself.

OK it is time to stop.

This is going downhill fast and to be honest that is not what any one of us would wish for.

I realise that many points of view coming to gether can always start off a debate that can end in a muddle.

I think everyone - Including myself should stop.

We have come to the fact that we ALL are sisters in POP.

We all hold a common bond - That is what keeps us reading here. That is what links us to one another.

As I said before - I do not want to argue or be in the middle of one. That is NOT why I am here - My aim here is to help in any way I can other women who may be in the same spot I was in... And to show then a way that can ease their emotional and physical pains. POP is a very emotional thing. Not just for us - But also for Christine as she is VERY Passionate about her concepts and so she should be. After all - Without Christine none of us would be here and we would have 99% of us been trundled off to an operating theatre and manhandled.

I understand that sometimes people get hurt by the words of others and to be honest I have never wanted to hurt or upset anyone and I am sure none of us would wish that. POP is enough to cope with by itself.

Maybe as the forum evolves the moderation team would have the ability to lock a post that ends in a debacle so that it cannot go on into eternity (No matter what you might think or feel that would never be my intention at all)

I am sorry UKMummy that the posture has not aided you to run. That really saddens me but maybe in time it might.

I am sorry. But this site is more than just talk about POP - This site holds within it the hearts and emotions of so many of us and that can make us ALL very sensitive.

I would ask that we remember the reason that brought us all here - And that is to find a way to help ourselves without surgery. Is that not why you are here? To find a new way?

I have to say that I WHOLLY endorse Christines ideas - No matter what she may think of me personally. I am here to help other people get through this, and if I do that for one single woman then I feel my existence has had some reason.

I know that Christine made this site with only the best of intentions.

Listen - I went through a VERY bad POP patch but after 5-6mths I have come back to a point where it is workable with and liveable with - It is still a stage 3. And the only reason I have managed to get through this is from what Christine and her knowledge has imparted to me. I can be nothing but grateful for that.

So no matter what. We must all reaslise that no person is God - BUT - One person can start a revolution that will change the future of this world in a good way. It can be done. If one person tells another an idea that might help every female person in the world and that idea is ridiculed - That person might step down and let the idea pass. Christine has become one person who did not stand down. NO. She stood tall and put the word out so women like ourselves could hear and reap the benefits of her work. That one small voice has become many large voices and we are all a small part of those whole that is whole woman. Let us not fragment and fall. Let us not dissipate and become weak by being alone.

PLEASE.

Can we not have a moment to actually thank her for what she has done. She has given us all something that nobody else will. And to be honest no matter what would happen past and future - I have her to thank for that. She should be proud of her achievements and not feel belittled by mere words than can and do hurt so very much.

She should be PROUD that many women have come to this place of safety and we can move forward as one LARGE voice. Singing in wonderous voices that we are strong. We got through and that we are whole.

Come on WW people.

I appreciate and care about every single one of you. INCLUDING CHRISTINE whom I hold in a VERY high place in my heart.

No matter what can we please take a moment to think - breathe - forget this little spatterama and move forward.

I ask this of you. In friendship and caring.

I know Christine tries her best in all things. We are none of us infallible. Especiallly myself whom I mainly consider a nut case (lol) But my sense of humour gets me through alot of things..

Can we all - Please. Come together and not fall apart. United we stand yet divided we fall...

I hope so.

Sue

Sometimes you are holding someone else's heart whithin your hands. You can drop that heart & bruise it. You can squash that heart & hurt it. Or you can stomp on it & totally annihalate it. You stomp on that heart or bruise it. It can forever be changed.

History tells us that all great revolutions involve debate, sometimes painful debate. Without the debate and yes even internal tension the revolution could falter. We need it. The key is to not lose sight of the goal. This is the first and only forum I have ever posted on and I agree with whoever (Louise ?) said it can be a challenge with regards to the actual communication. Without Christine, Louise, Sue, Michelle, Alemama I would not be functioning where I am today. EACH has been crucial to my grief and healing process. For me checking in 1-2 times a month is a good balance but for each is different. Unity is power! Unity does not equal 100% agreement.

My oh my…where to begin – oh yeah, by reading Louise’s verse again….

This is actually quite healthy and good that we can all be honest and open. Running screaming out of the room is never very productive, but a strategy I also have been known to use when my feelings get hurt.

Many, many thanks to Flora, Ellen, Goldfinch, Kit, Alemama and PArunner for sending up such beautiful offerings of love and peace.

Sue…you have indeed pissed me off by telling us all quite matter-of-factly that “many” women who you are corresponding with think ww is shit. That was your attitude if not your words and they affected us quite negatively – believe me, I am not the only one who thought so. I also don’t believe I treated jb poorly – I would’ve used the very same words with my own daughter.

Michelle…you will wait a very long time for medical science to prove anything about posture and prolapse. Ob/gyn is nothing if not a bed of corruption that has less than zero interest in disrupting the status quo. It is not and never has been a system interested in returning women to natural health.

I’m glad to hear your thoughts about this postural work because it helps put things together for me about why you have remained on the periphery. I cannot know why the posture isn’t keeping things forward so you can run as much as you want. It certainly has for Mare, who learned to run marathons again post prolapse. She has sent me awesome pictures, which I will scan and post. I have no way of knowing whether you are even holding your body correctly – or whether your general mistrust of posture as prolapse therapy is entering into the mix. I also wonder why you haven’t shared what other things you are doing to relieve your symptoms while running…

We really need to look at this charge that ideas or treatments other than ww posture and exercise are unwelcome here. That is simply not the case. Look back at my reaction to Alemama’s stomach vacuum and you’ll see nothing but delight from me. I was also open to that last (and ultimately disastrous) pessary thingy that Sue brought to the site. But when things are presented that are clearly useless I’m going to pipe up. And what you do with it is your business. I have never nor will ever censor anything or “demean” you for doing what makes sense to you.

Here is the heart of it – PROLAPSE IS A POSTURAL PROBLEM IN WOMEN. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the naked truth. The reason I can tout nothing but ways to bring the organs forward is because THAT IS THE WORK! There is nothing else nor will there ever be anything else in terms of prolapse prevention and reversal. It is really a very simple thing – too simple for many to accept or trust in. The greater difficulties lie in correcting age-old mistakes in how our anatomy has been misrepresented to us and even teaching women anatomy at all. The story of our anatomy is completely enchanting, yet we can find it nowhere on the planet but here. I do blame ob/gyn for covering up the truth when it was eloquently presented in their own literature. This is deeply political territory where the truth is an unwelcome intruder and power is everything. I am reminded of a comment Dick Cheney made a few days ago when asked, “Mr. Cheney, are you aware that 80% of the American public is against the war in Iraq?” To which he responded, “So?”

I’m really doing the best I can here and cannot express to you how much I appreciate everyone’s support. I’m an emotional nut-case too, Sue, and have learned, thanks in part to you, more of what to expect from a public forum.

However…for the few of us who really enjoy being in community with each other, I loved Ellen’s idea of gathering together in a circle of love and care. I have made many dear friends through this work and hope in time we can all say that. Michelle mentioned that she doesn’t like to come here often because it keeps her tied to prolapse. Quite the contrary, I find this community ties me to the woman-way…where I am continuously learning about and unfolding my very own Nature.

Love to all,

Christine

Quote *Sue…you have indeed pissed me off by telling us all quite matter-of-factly that “many” women who you are corresponding with think ww is shit.* - I did NOT say that!

There is nothing more I can say than I already have.

But I did not say that.

Sometimes you are holding someone else's heart whithin your hands. You can drop that heart & bruise it. You can squash that heart & hurt it. Or you can stomp on it & totally annihalate it. You stomp on that heart or bruise it. It can forever be changed.

i want to encourage and say thanks to Christine for sponsoring this website because,
after a lot of work Googling and searching the web, her site was the ONLY one i
found that supported a "wholistic" approach to pelvic prolapse issues...at a time
when i felt very alone and un-aware of any alternatives to hysterectomy...there you
were! i feel blessed to have found this site. i'm doing my best with the excercises and diet and have found this to be a positive transformation in my life...i'm looking up!

Some suffering is inherent in life, and i could have something worse.
i refuse to let myself or the rest of my life be defined by pop...
Thankyou again Christine for giving me the keys and support to help me move on.

namaste, linda

Dear Christine and Friends,

I haven't posted much lately because I've been doing round 90000000 with my spouse. That seems better now, so I wanted to throw in my two cents worth here and say a big thank you to so many who have seen me through this thing like champions.

I really do believe in your work, Christine, and I believe that posture is the only real positive we have. It's a huge whopping success, a magnificent breakthrough for women, and something I will keep with me as long as I live.

The other things I've learned on this forum have been so fundamentally exciting, they rate right up there with the posture. This is a beautiful place to be. It has helped me so much in my whole life. I may not post, but I read every post.

As some other women, I didn't start off very well, but I've come a long way, and it has re-created me in ways I could never describe. I've made wonderful friends on this forum who I take great delight in hearing from privately.

For me in so many ways it has been a real spiritual food.

Gratefully,

Judy

hi there michelle!
I, for one, am always happy to read your posts, however infrequent they may be.
I think its kinda like children, we *want* them to fly away even though we want them to stay close.
please don't feel unjustified in being here, though. you are always welcome!

took me a while to get through those 24 posts.

I don't even know what to say that hasn't already been said.

except that we all come to prolapse with different strengths and weak spots. both physical and emotional. so this work will not be the same for any two of us. and we'd be fools to expect the results to be the same.

maybe my fibro is holding me back from further progress? maybe sue's MS had something to do with her relapse? maybe my sleepless baby made me cranky and offensive today? maybe someone's cranky husband had something to do with her disappearance?

lets all try to treat each others as we'd like to be treated, as well as remember to give one another the benefit of the doubt.

I love you all, really, I do.