When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
If you are already a registered user you may now log in and post. If you have lost your password, just click the request new password tab and follow the directions.
Please review and agree to the disclaimer and the forum rules. Our moderators will remove any posts that are promotional or otherwise fail to meet our guidelines and will block repeat offenders.
Remember, the forum is here for two reasons. First, to get your questions answered by other women who have knowledge and experience to share. Second, it is the place to share your results and successes. Your stories will help other women learn that Whole Woman is what they need.
Whether you’re an old friend or a new acquaintance, welcome! The Whole Woman forum is a place where you can make a difference in your own life and the lives of thousands of women around the world!
Best wishes,
Christine Kent
Founder
Whole Woman
kiki
July 22, 2010 - 12:16am
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rectocele
Dear anonymous,
I am so sorry to hear of your story. It makes me so sad to hear of the needless surgeries women face, and the consequences. This is why Christine started this work.
Others are best place to answer your question, but if you search in the search box under hysterectomy you will get some answers. The forum has been down so it may be a little slow to get people back on, but hang in there. You will get answers.
What i can say is that as i also have a rectocele, i know diet is crucial to avoiding constipation for me. Very common with rectoceles, and i've had to be very careful, avoiding dairy, chocolate, eating lots of raw veg, pulses. Also there have been several threads on anti inflammatory diet that you could search on that might help. The results for some have been subtle, others like myself dramatic--but i think every little bit makes a difference even if subtle. And, there is a thread on pooing in the animal kingdom, or LoPoo you may find useful.
Hope that is a start, but others will say regarding excercises and hysterectomy as I know it is a question that has come up befre.
Kiki
PS If anonymous is you true full name, you may want to consider changing it which a mod who knows how to do that can do--as otherwise your threads will come up if someone does a search on you, and some people prefer that not to happen for privacy reasons. just say if you do and I'll flag it to someone who is more technically proficient at this!
anonymous
July 22, 2010 - 5:53am
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Hysterectomy rectocele
Thank-you Kiki,
Thanks for the information and the name change. This is not my real name but perhaps I should change it to a different one as it does sound like a real name and someone out there might have it. It's no where near my rteal name. Let me know what you think. I wound't want to cause a problem for someone with the name I chose.
I'm very exctied about the site and know I will learn a lot and connect with women with similar problems.
Thanks
anonymous
Christine
July 22, 2010 - 7:47am
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deleting posts
I have been asked to delete not only this persons user name (which was not her real name), but also all her posts because she feels they are overwhelmingly depressing. Of course I deleted her user name at her request, but by deleting her posts I must also delete the responses, which other members have gone to the trouble to write. In addition, her posts are of great value to other members. I hope making them even more anonymous is satisfactory.
Christine
kiki
July 22, 2010 - 2:40pm
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depressing posts
I hope I didn't cause worry bringing up the name--i just know some people have put their real name in and later thought they should have had something a bit more anonymous, so we've starated flagging it... But by all means, whatever name suits you!
I didn't find your posts depressing--just very honest about where you are at. Over the years I have posted very depressing posts, ones full of anxiety, and happy ones as things improve. I sometimes worry that maybe i shouldn't say something in case it makes newbies worry, but then we are all working our way through this, and have good days and bad, and setbacks and leaps forward...so one of the things i value here is the ability to be honest, and the ability to say whatever i need including on days when i'm panicking or feeling really rotten.
I'd say share whatever you need to share, whereever you are at here. There is always lots of support as needed.
Kiki
alemama
July 22, 2010 - 8:34pm
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have a laugh on me
so I just got to this post today and read Kiki's suggestion to change the name- and was so dumbfounded because how much more 'anonymous' can you get?
then I read a bit more and realized the original name had been changed to anonymous-
geez.
what do you think anonymous? should the whole thing be deleted? will Kiki mind?
and finally: I am so sorry to hear about the surgery and the removal of all the extra parts- We just had a resident operate on our baby and they didn't even tell me he would be doing it. They paraded the attending in and then just went right on about it-
fortunately I am wise to the fact that it's a teaching hospital and talked to the resident and let him know I knew he was going to be doing the surgery. Then we had a great talk about it. And he was so so so competent (simple surgery- I could have done it at home lol) and sweet (which isn't important but hey, I'm human right?). Ok that was a tangent- sorry-
What the heck are they thinking when they take all that stuff out- it gives me this ridiculous visual - mock horror film quality- guy in white coat- pulling organs out going "is zeis da one? NO, is zeis da one?"
I sure hope the exercises will help. If I was in your place I would probably be willing to try anything that wouldn't hurt me. So give it a shot- the posture can only help you. If something feels bad- stop doing it (as far as the exercises are concerned) and I figure you are an entire person- so even if they don't help the rectocele, as long as they don't bother it- the exercises are great for your entire mind, body and spirit.
louiseds
July 23, 2010 - 1:21am
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Have a laugh on me
But seriously Alemama, you are absolutely right about how easy it is for doctors to slip stuff past us. When we have a sick child or a body that is not working, and we are scared, we look to anything that will help, and all commensense goes out the window.
In a hospital it is not our body any more; it is not our condition; it is not our solution. Patients and families are regarded as childlike, and do not have a great deal of say in what happens. What the doctors decide in their wisdom may be right, and hopefully is right, but we are by no means equal to them in a hospital setting. They have the right to decide what to do in the interests of their patient, but somehow they often fail to empathise with the patient and their family, and what they are feeling. They take over the whole person, not just the sick bit, and sometimes in great haste, so nobody has the time to think quickly and clearly about the consequences. And we let them, because it is their territory and we have come for help.
It takes an enormous amount of presence of mind to stand up to a doctor and say, "no, that is not OK by me", or even to ask the questions that are thrown up by worst case scenarios.
Louise
colehollow
July 23, 2010 - 8:11am
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Me Too!!
Hi Anonymous,
My heart goes out to you!! Having known about hysterectomy rates and doctors, I have been able to avoid surgery, and will continue. However, I am in a present fight to save my career in the face of prolapse, and have been lurking around in the shadows of this website in order not to reveal myself or my professional life to anyone while I adjust to my new reality. Let's just say that I am in the arts, and what I do is physical. It could directly and negatively affect that threatened career!
Maybe it has already. Business has dropped off, probably because of the economy, maybe because of prolapse, but I am receiving it as a blessing. It gives me more time to concentrate on healing, which I am with the video and daily practice. Hopefully it will alter only slightly what I do, and I will return into full swing just a little wiser as to how my career has worn on my body and with ways of helping others not to do the same.
Anonymous, I have no idea how old you are, but please look at the ruins of your career to see whether it has given you knowledge that you can pass on to others through teaching. Or perhaps you can use your skills in a new way, maybe even for women with prolapse! A new and gorgeous clothing line? This could be the makings of a new career and the source of new hope! Christine has done this so successfully, and we can too! The hope is so infectious, and thank you, Christine, I have been basking in it since I discovered my prolapse. It gave me the strength I needed through my tears, mental and physical pain, and frustration.
From the past my grandmother keeps whispering: It's not what happens to you in life, it's what you make of it that counts. She had a hysterectomy and fistula, and I don't know what else, and she lived to be 86. I am still listening, grandma!
anonymous
July 23, 2010 - 9:34am
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Thank-you
Hi Everyone,
Many, many thanks for your wonderful, enlightening and supportive replies to my initial post. Every word is greatly appreciated.
I will reply further later today but have to dash at the moment, well maybe not dash due to the rectocele. It's more of a brisk walk.
I hope to be able to help others with their problems due to pelvic problems as well as receive help and advice on impoving my rectocele and quality of life.
I am very interested in talking more with the woman :Me Too" who posted the last post and is also in the arts. I am mentoring young dancers and trying to use the knowledge of my career in a meaningful and helpful way, but feel I can do more. Thank-you for the ideas.
Kiki, thank-you.
Thank-you to everyone.
More to come later. By the way, I'm the worst typist and speller in the world.
anonymous
louiseds
July 23, 2010 - 11:05am
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Thanks Colehollow
Thanks Colehollow, wisdom does indeed come out of the mouths of little old ladies, and babes too. Have either of you checked out the Wholebaby Workout video at the Wholewoman Studio in the Village? Take a peek! It is food for thought!
Christine
July 23, 2010 - 11:45am
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Sent from Christine's iPhone
Thank you with all my heart, A, for working through the pain and sadness in order to avoid the abyss of denial. Thank you also for the beautiful email. I was so tired after a rugged day yesterday that I wasn't able to answer any email. Then woke up this morning to a completely frozen computer which dh is working on now.
My great hope is to fire up this hysterectomy forum and help those for whom additional surgery would just be more trouble.
Love to you, dear sister.
Christine
colehollow
July 23, 2010 - 3:25pm
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Actuallly, Anonymous....
Actually Anonymous, some of what I do is to guide people in their career development. I would be glad to share ideas.
If prolapse and its "cures" are a societal thing (both our western customs at large and that strange little world called the medical profession), it is just not fair that women like ourselves should have our lives so thoroughly changed by it and then be marginalized.
We can do so much better than being put out to pasture.
anonymous
July 24, 2010 - 5:09pm
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Thank-You Christine
Dear Christine,
I'm still finding this all a bit overwhelming and frightening. I have put together a post hysterectomy life but since being introduced to the site have realized that I still have a lot more work to do and a lot more to learn and share if we want these needless surgeries stopped. I'm missing not only my uterus but ovaries, fallopian tubes. cervix. appendix and gall bladder. I guess I'm very lucky the only thing I've developed post surgery is a rectocele. I have to add a bit more to my story so others won't go through the same thing I've gone through. I was told post op that all the parts I had removed were removed becasue so many women develope cancers in these parts. When I awoke from my surgery I was given no pain medication. The morphine pump broke and nobody would fix it. I was not a nuisance patient. When I did ask a nurse for help she proceeded to pull all the curtains around my bed closed so I was completely isolated. She moved the phone into a far corner so it was nearly impossible for me to reach. I finally did reach the phone and called a friend who at that time was a medical student doing her residency in psychiatry at the hospital I was in. She came immediately. She went to the nursing station and started looking through my chart. She started to question the nurses. They in turn started to question who she was. I had my surgery on a Friday, my friend came up on Sat., and I was discharged on that Sat. night with no explanation. I later tried to get ahold of my medical records and they had been destroyed. When discharged after only a day I had to ask a stranger visiting the person across from me to help me get my shoes on. I couldn't bend. This was 8 years ago. I have tried a few time since to see what happened to my chart at both the hospital and the surgeons office. According to both I did not have any surgery done at this hospital and was not a patient of the surgeons. End of story.
I have moved on with my life. I was a professional ballerina, no more. I worked for over two years getting a centre for women open so this would not happen to anyone else.
Please, please please get 2nd and 3rd opinions before having any surgeries. Please don't have these surgeries unless you have to have them to save your life.
I do intend to continue on the site even though at times I find what happened very hard to revisit, but having found this site and you Christine I know I can improve even more and hopefully help others. That's my story. I am mentoring young dancers at the moment and am helping a few young dancers put together a small company. I am looking forward to reading the book and hoping the posture will help me. You are so knowledgable. I have so much to learn and know I can and will improve even more.
Thank-you.
PS I have another friend who is also a physcian. She advocates hysterectomys and pelvic repair surgeries. She is in her 60's. I'm quite a bit younger. I don't understand why so many of the practicing physciians are so old school. This has to be changed!
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