Posture - Body - Triangles and stuff

This is what I do too (and sometimes it's a bit crazy-making!), and think it's very important for all women to try to get a sense for themselves how everything is positioned. My daughter and I are still trying to perfect our illustrations, but they are a heck of alot more accurate, even at this point, than much of what you find in the gyn literature - I think it's very difficult for the average Mr. Fixit to draw the female form.

The way I see your second triangle - if you rotate the entire lower half ninety degrees clockwise, you have it!

And what Louise's discussion was all about was that our (and every other living being in nature) sub-cellular microtubular skeleton is built with a three-dimensional triangle as its basic unit of structure. Of course WE know we are all curves! LOL

You’ve pointed out a very important mystery that has made me crazy – and my husband crazy as I’ve asked him to hold with his hands the conformation of my pelvis as I go from standing to all fours and let me know what changes…he never can tell! lol. I don’t believe the spatial orientation of the pelvis changes significantly! When we arch our back way down while on all fours, then the ilia (broad, wing-shaped hipbones) roll forward a bit, but it seems pretty clear to me that there is little difference in the placement of the pelvis between standing and all-fours.

This is significant in that our experiential anatomy proves what scientists like Stephen Levin say about our spine being horizontal like four-legged creatures. Human females had an especially difficult challenge to remain upright while keeping the pelvic organs in place. The only way this could be accomplished was through a pronounced lumbar curve pushing the organs forward against the abdominal wall, where they were already positioned in animals over the eons.

Virtually all writers and researchers have missed this key component of female pelvic organ support! For instance, what should have been a very useful book by the very talented artist Blandine Calais-Germain – The Female Pelvis – has the orientation of the pelvis all wrong, not to mention that she’s completely missed the most important anatomical points of organ support. Check out this drawing (from that book) of the pelvis on all fours: www.askchristinekent.com/pelvicposition.html

Now, you know where your tailbone is positioned in relation to your anal sphincter. Look at where the tailbone is when the pelvis is drawn with an almost ninety-degree forward rotation…almost to her waist! This drawing is illustrative of the fact that the pelvis does not rotate all the way forward on all fours.

That's kinda what my logo is about (at the top of every page.) Is the posture picture in the FAQ not helpful enough?

I am a little confused, I understand the triangle picture but the 90 degrees clockwise adjustment, I am having trouble picturing. Would it be a problem for you to draw the triangle picture with the adjustment? Is the pelvic bone supposed to be horizontal underneath?

thanks for your help.

So sorry...'twas me that was looking at in backwards. I thought the long, straight side of both triangles was the spine and I now see it is meant to be the abdomen. If you look at it the way I was, the lower half of Sue's 2nd triangle is the butt, and yes, as she said, everything is falling out the abyss. However, if you rotate the lower half clockwise ninety degrees or so and truncate the long arms of the triangle, then the red spot is heading downward and nestled into a roomy area - the lower belly. Aspirin anyone? :-)

We do have an almost ninety degree angle in our spine, which is formed between the horizontal sacrum and the vertical lumbar spine. The lumbosacral angle is formed by a line drawn along the lumbar vertebrae and a line drawn along the first two sacral vertebrae. It should measure about 80 degrees in women.

Sue - what happens when you click on the FAQ, "What is the ww posture?" ??

so we should tilt our pelvic bone forward and lengthen our back? I think I am even more totally confused. I too thought the long part was the spine. I thought I would push my belly forward and down and my pelvic bone? under and my tailbone would lift somewhat. I have looked at the model's photo but can't quite see how things are. Maybe I will study the book again (haven't looked at it for a while and also view the movie again. I have been doing the exercises 4-5 times a week, but getting the posture right has been a challange. I keep thinking I understand and then I realize I don't.

You've had the right idea, Amy - sorry we've confused it. I wrote out the postural instructions again in the Bodywork forum under the topic, "Confused about posture" if you need reassurance.

Thanks, I'll go read that right away.

Crikey, this is ever-more confusing! I'm sure, having read Christine's book, that we're talking about a tilt to the rear. One thing's clear: Christine needs to include more diagrams/illustrations on this website!
Wendy

I think we should probably delete this thread because it's causing nothing but confusion. No one said anything about tilting the pelvis forward 90 degrees, except in that incorrect hands and knees drawing that I linked to. The pelvis stays where it is. It is the spine itself that forms an almost 90 degree angle from sacrum to lumbar spine. I have several illustrations here of this, the best ones are in my article, "Why the pelvic diaphragm is not a 'floor' and the role of the os pubis as true pelvic floor" in the Resources section.