When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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Ladybug79
April 16, 2017 - 4:03pm
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Thank you
Thank you so much for your reply, Tanglefoot. I am really scared that this is happening to me and I didn't even know it could happen to me at this age. I still nurse, carry, wear, and sleep with my 2 year old and I'm not sure what will have to change now. I do have a bulge, and my vagina has completely changed. It is almost like it's closed up. I can see a smooth bulge behind the opening, and myburethra (which I don't think I've ever seen before!) has dropped to the point where my vaginalopening used to be. So, I'm panicking. It is helpful to know that women are managing this but I just don't know where to begin and I honestly feel like my life as I know it is over forever. :(
Aging gracefully
April 16, 2017 - 4:56pm
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Hello ladybug and welcome,
Hello ladybug and welcome,
First of all here is the prolapse self exam:
https://wholewoman.com/library/content/articles/prolapseselfexam.pdf
This comes right out of the whole woman book. Finding out what kind of prolapse you have and what is happening to your body is the first step to healing. Also, please read around this site, aside from the forum to get an idea what the whole woman work is about. Mnay of us came here with that fear, but with this work, we are in a different place now.
Christine Kent has done much study and has found that our major problems with prolapse is our posture, the posture we actually grew up with as children. Once you have wrapped your head around all this you can begin to really take care of yourself.
With the posture and whole woman work you will start to feel those nagging symptoms lessen, and become more confident with yourself and your body.
There are many great products to choose from to get started. Saving the Whole Woman book and First Aid for Prolapse are great places to start. Just start reading around, and come back here with any questions about the work.
Ladybug79
April 16, 2017 - 6:55pm
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Thank you, again
Thank you, Aging gracefully. I guess my biggest fear is that if things have fallen, can I really get them to go back?? There is so much conflicting advice and evidence out there that I just feel so lost and hopeless. I know this is up to me to figure out, but I'm stuck in a cycle of fear and devastation at the moment. I know this isn't the worst thing that could happen to me, but it's seeming pretty awful. I never saw it coming. I have started to peruse the site here and I thank you for your recommendations. I have so many questions, but as I said, right now I'm feeling really down and unsure of what to do, and honestly not even believing anything will change what is happening with my body. I'm now afraid of everything that I do and don't know if it's better to stand, sit, or lie down. :(
Aging gracefully
April 16, 2017 - 8:00pm
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Hi ladybug,
Hi ladybug,
I remember that feeling of despair when first finding prolapse. I actually cried and searched the internet for two weeks. Then I found whole woman and started reading. The first thing I learned was that I didn't have to have surgery, and that having a prolapse wasn't an emergency situation. That really gave me the peace of mind and confidence to pursue this work, because I knew I could take the time needed to improve my prolapse symptoms.
I have not looked back after over four years into this work.
Give yourself the permission to relax now and really start looking into this work. You won't regret it.
Ladybug79
April 16, 2017 - 8:13pm
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Yes, that's right where I am.
Yes, that's right where I am. Thank you for sharing. I hope I can have a positive experience and outlook like you. I just want to continue to experience life with my kids and right now it feels like I don't know what that will look like anymore. Are walking, hiking, and day trips no longer a reality for me? I don't know what to expect.
shefu
April 17, 2017 - 12:30am
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Life does get better
I hear the desperation in your post and I just want to hug you and tell you it gets better. I haven't been on this journey very long, but I can tell you there are good days...really good days...to offset the sadness and grief and total bewilderment that comes with the onset of prolapse. I just took my son on spring break to Seattle and we walked and walked for days and I felt pretty darn good. I did my exercises in the mornings, stretched, fire breathed throughout the day and almost felt my old self. Four months ago, I didn't think I could be on my feet so long. I also found a wedge pillow for sitting in the car and with all the driving I do, it made a world of difference. Read the forum, breath, believe. Blessings on you and your babies.
mummyduck13
April 17, 2017 - 3:52am
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Wedge pillow
Hi Sheri,
Could you share the details of the wedge pillow you use for driving. I do a lot of driving and haven't found anything to help yet.
shefu
April 17, 2017 - 11:00am
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Comfy pillow
I'm happy to share. It's a little smaller than my car seat but shaped like a wedge of cheese so it fills in the sloping part of the car seat. It's comfortable, keeps my body at a 90 degree angle instead of slouching and helps me maintain posture even when driving a long stretch. It's foam but sturdy enough I don't just sink into it. I found it on line at the Vermont Country Store. Very reasonable price with a removable, washable cover. It really makes a difference.
Ladybug79
April 17, 2017 - 11:43am
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Thank you so much. I am
Thank you so much. I am feeling so desperate and broken. I know this will pass, but it is where I am stuck right now. Thank you for sharing your experience. I guess I'm just angry knowing that this is something I will need to consciously have to manage and deal with for the rest of my life. It seems like nothing will ever be the same again. Feeling sorry for myself, for sure. I really appreciate the support and positivity even when I can't find any positive right now personally.
Aging gracefully
April 17, 2017 - 1:23pm
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Ladybug,
Ladybug,
It is understandable that you are feeling this way in the beginning, but if you start studying the whole woman work, it will at least distract you from these thoughts you are having, and in the long run you will start to see the light at the end of the tunnel. As the concepts of this work become more clear to you, and after you start applying them, you will see improvements as you go along. I do everything I want now. Sure, I have to be aware that certain activities could bring on symptoms, but there is so much, once posture becomes second nature that you can still do.
Time to start taking action.
Ladybug79
April 17, 2017 - 4:59pm
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I saw the nurse practitioner
I saw the nurse practitioner at my gynecologist's office. She told me my "vagina looks like I've had kids." For the urethra, she says it's normal for it to drop (she used the word "bulge")? She said closing of the vaginal walls is normal and that the smooth bulge I see inside is "just my vaginal wall." She says my bladder "seems a little low." Basically, her diagnosis is that I'm fine because my uterus is apparently in an ok position. Nevermind everything else happening so suddenly and the sensation of my bladder changing... I don't trust this opinion and I'm feeling really distraught over waiting for this appointment and not having any answers. She told me I just need to wait and see what happens. Obviously I'm going to go somewhere else, but I'm wondering if you or anyone has any insights? I wrongly assumed this would be a pretty straightforward diagnosis. :(
Aging gracefully
April 17, 2017 - 5:28pm
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Ladybug,
Ladybug,
Many of us have not had an official diagnosis of prolapse, and those that have have told us pretty much the same thing, no matter how many specialist they have been to. They either downplay your symptoms, suggest surgery, suggest kegel based exercises, or do nothing.
It is of course your right to go to as many doctors as you want if that will give you peace of mind, but we have entrusted our time into Christine's work to help us learn everything there is to know about prolapse and what to do about it.
What is holding you back?
Ladybug79
April 17, 2017 - 5:38pm
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I guess I felt knowing
I guess I felt knowing exactly what I was dealing with would be helpful. I'm still stuck on whether or not my organs and anatomy can reposition themselves? I'm distressed by the changes I can see and feel, and surprised that I was told I'm fine.
Aging gracefully
April 17, 2017 - 5:55pm
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Our pelvic organs are on the
Our pelvic organs are on the move all the time, so what may seem like nothing one time, may pop up as very symptomatic another. To help us to alleviate these symptoms on more of a regular basis, we need to be moving our pelvic organs out of the vaginal space and into the lower belly where they belong. We do that with whole woman posture and the proper breathing that goes with it. Christine's work also has exercises and tips to help us along.
What you describe sounds very mild, so this is especially a good time to get started with this work, because starting early will really help you in the long run.
Ladybug79
April 17, 2017 - 6:03pm
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When I read Christine's test
When I read Christine's test for diagnosis, it said the smooth bulge inside the vagina is a sign of severe prolapse, which is one reason I've been so worried. I will try to calm myself enough to begin looking deeper into the program. It feels like everything is crashing down on me (literally and figuratively) so I've just been stuck these past few days. I know something is happening with my body for sure. Thank you so much for your help and support.
Aging gracefully
April 17, 2017 - 6:13pm
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A severe prolapse actually
A severe prolapse actually bulges out of the vagina and can even rub and chafe on the underwear. I have a severe uterine prolapse and when I first found mine my cervix was sticking an inch out of me. That was a scary time for me. I would have loved to be in your shoes with what really does sound like a mild prolapse. It took a lot of work and dedication to get where I am now. If I can do this, anyone can.
You can do this.
Ladybug79
April 17, 2017 - 6:35pm
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I'm so sorry that happened to
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know how scared I feel now, and I would be much more scared if my cervix was coming out even more. Of course, that is kind of what I'm scared of having happen, I guess. Just all of it is ovwrwhelming and scary. So many thank yous for sharing and pushing me forward. :)
Aging gracefully
April 17, 2017 - 6:44pm
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I don't mean to scare you,
I don't mean to scare you, but to make you aware that you are in a really good place in starting this work. The advantage you have especially is that you are paying attention and listening to your body. At the time I found mine, I had been ignoring the nagging symptoms. But, it is never too late to start this work, and I thank Christine and her work everyday for being here for me, for all of us. It is amazing work.
Surviving60
April 18, 2017 - 5:31am
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Ladybug
The bulges that you see are indeed just the vaginal walls, which are being pushed from behind by the bladder and/or rectum bulging into that space. This is one of the things that keeps your uterus in a good position.....you do not have the profound uterine prolapse that Aging Gracefully is dealing with. Time to take a deep breath and get started! I know you don't believe this, but your issues are quite manageable and it's time to dry those tears and get on with things. Please watch this, if you haven't already:
https://wholewoman.com/newpages/video/ww101.html
Once you get going, you will feel 100% better. I am one of those who has never had a formal diagnosis of my prolapse. I would consider that a total waste of time and a distraction from the real issues that need to be addressed. Female pelvic health is one of those areas where the medical profession does not exactly show its best side. The WW work is joyful and life-changing. - Surviving
Waited too long
April 18, 2017 - 5:15pm
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Keep trying to stay calm and study WW
Hi Ladybug,
I know how you feel and what you're going through. I really want to stress to you to study the Whole Woman Inc. ! I wish I had found this before I saw an OB/Gyn and let him do a procedure on me that was a total flop. He said my bladder had prolapsed and he could tighten the ceiling, well after all that, I knew the first week after surgey that I was back to square one. I saw another dr. and he said he would never have done the surgery I had done, that he would have done a sling type surgery that would help my floor. Which I did not have done. That's when I found Whole Woman Inc.and NOBODY is going to operate on me again! I have a buldge in my vagina and have had it for several years, but my legiments started hurting so that's what sent me to the dr in the first place. But with WW I'm hanging in there,(punt intended)in a whole new way! Best of luck and just breathe! Stay Calm and Whole Woman On!
Waited too long
April 18, 2017 - 5:20pm
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Doctors check up
Just thinking, is it just me or does this happen to anyone esle? When you go to the doctor they always check you laying down. Well, everything falls into place sort of and they really don't see what the problem is...
Thanks,
Waited
Aging gracefully
April 18, 2017 - 5:46pm
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Hi waited too long,
Hi waited too long,
Yes, that is a common theme here on the forum. Doctors just don't understand how the true anatomy of our pelvic organs really work in a woman's body. some women have even asked their doctors to examine them standing up, but they still tend to blow them off in the end anyway. A very frustrating process, for sure.
shefu
April 18, 2017 - 9:42pm
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I was pleasantly surprised
I was pleasantly surprised when the specialist I saw asked me to stand for the exam. I thought, ok, she knows what's up. Then she said because I was fit, I was a good candidate for hysterectomy...so disappointing. My own sister, a nurse practitioner, called when she heard my message about my prolapse and said she'd clear her schedule so she could come take care of me after the surgery. While I love her sentiment of being there for me, I was shocked she didn't know there were options. I send her info from the whole women web site all the time now...
everhopeful
April 19, 2017 - 12:00am
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Hi Ladybug79
Shefu is right ,even her own sister who is 'trained' to help could only think of operating as a solution for prolapse! We were all shocked when prolapse happened but I think this is due to massive hole in our education ,sadly. Everything u need to know for a safe and active way forward to living with prolapse is right here at Whole Woman. It has given me my life back and over the past 3years I refer to my WW book,my bible! And several dvds ,First Aid for Prolapse and yoga dvds.I can honestly say that for a good part of that time I completely forget I have a stage 3cycstocyle. Please trust your body to respond to this change in lifestyle as explained by WW and u will get to do mostly all u want.In my opinion the drs and surgeons have no long term answers and the risks involved in operations r more than u realise.Just google 'sling the mesh' and u will c what real life problems exist for those unlucky enough to not find this site.Good luck,be kind to yourself and get reading this site and that book!
Aging gracefully
April 19, 2017 - 6:04am
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Hi shefu,
Hi shefu,
My mother who was an RN at the time I found my prolapse said the same thing. I tried to explain whole woman to her, but she showed no interest at all, so I just stopped talking about it with her. So frustrating when they don't listen.
Thank you ladies for sharing your stories.
Surviving60
April 19, 2017 - 8:45am
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It's important, when we have
It's important, when we have experienced the benefits of the WW work, to help spread the word to others. But when we are just starting down this path, it's even more important for our own healing, that we share our stories with those who support our decision to avoid surgery, and avoid exposure to comments and advice that do not respect and support our choice. If certain friends or family members are not on board with a natural and safe approach to prolapse management, then it is a simple matter just not to discuss it with them, and not to complain in their presence, as they will surely be moved to offer more of their (unhelpful) advice. I'm saying this primarily to Ladybug and any other newbie who might be reading.....the rest of us have found this out for ourselves. This is a journey everyone has to make for themselves, and there is plenty of support, here and elsewhere. Don't settle for anything less! - Surviving
Aranina
April 19, 2017 - 12:17pm
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Hey there Ladybug!
Hey there Ladybug!
I'm a whopping 30, and my youngest is 2.5 months old. I found my prolapses at 3.5 weeks post birth. I was terrified. I cried. I wanted to die because while this is not a life threatening issue it's a life altering problem. I can feel mine every. single. day. Some days it's painful and others it's frustrating. I spent hours for weeks looking up everything I could about prolapse and what to do. I don't recommend surgery, but being our age in our 30's it's not likely it would be talked about.
My docs also brushed me off because I just had a baby. I am still frustrated. Going to the bathroom sucks.
I will tell you though that eventually your emotions will start to even out and you won't be totally consumed by it. It takes a little time, but you'll get there.
What I have noticed is that as long as I'm not overdoing lifting stuff and standing too long in one position I don't feel as bad. I have felt a little better the last couple of weeks with a new supplement regimen. I do 4k iu of Vit D (doesn't hurt- I live in Ohio haha), 500mg (probably going to up the dose a little) vit C, and half dose of LLV from DoTerra. Might want to look into magnesium as well since your body needs it to break down D. I haven't needed it though.
I have felt better doing all of this. Your body needs Vit C to produce collagen, which helps to strengthen the walls.
It's just a different take on all of this horrible feeling and problem. I find it helpful. Maybe you might too? Good luck!
Aging gracefully
April 19, 2017 - 1:17pm
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You are not mentioning
You are not mentioning posture here, Aranina. Have you had a chance to invest in the whole woman work? The best way to help prolapse for the long term is with the whole woman posture, and Christine has outlined everything we need to know and do to accomplish this. Good time to get started.
Aranina
April 19, 2017 - 1:31pm
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This would be in conjunction
This would be in conjunction with correct posture and weight bearing.
Aging gracefully
April 19, 2017 - 2:07pm
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Good to hear you are working
Good to hear you are working on your posture, Aranina. Can you tell us which of Christine's materials you decided on and how it is helping you? It is the postural work; after all, that ultimately helps with the prolapse.
Waited too long
April 19, 2017 - 2:15pm
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Thank you Aging gracefully!
Thank you Aging gracefully! Wish there was more we could do to get them to understand us or to get info out to women before they go to the doctor.
Waited too long
April 19, 2017 - 2:19pm
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Wow, it's crazy how
Wow, it's crazy how uninformed we can be! Like a hysterectomy is a god send! Then later on down the road everything else falls out of place! Thank you Whole Woman for your hard work!
Surviving60
April 20, 2017 - 6:13am
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Aranina
I've read back through your original thread and I'm wondering if you have come to any conclusions about embarking on the Whole Woman work. That is the purpose of our forum and we would expect that much from anyone who comes on here to give advice to others! You have probably received the announcement of a 20%-off sitewide sale. No excuses, newbies! - Surviving
Ladybug79
April 21, 2017 - 9:25am
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I have checked out for a few
I have checked out for a few days. I can't wait until I have more time later on to read through all of these responses. I came to the site to purchase the starter bundle. How do I receive 20% off?
Surviving60
April 21, 2017 - 9:55am
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Sale
The e-mail came out on 4/19 announcing the sale. You should be getting these unless you unsubscribed. Use SpringSale promo code at checkout, good through 4/26/17. - Surviving
Aging gracefully
April 21, 2017 - 10:09am
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Christine just put out the
Christine just put out the spring sale and how to use the coupon code on this page:
https://wholewoman.com/newstore/
There is a blue button part way down that says how to use coupon code. Your email will have this available to click on.
Ladybug79
April 21, 2017 - 10:13am
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Thank you. I'm not receiving
Thank you. I'm not receiving emails. Hmm. I haven't unsubscribed and I've never received one.
Is the starter bundle the best place for me to start? Will it give me what I need to notice a difference? And can other videos be bought separately in the future? I seem to only see them in bundles for the most part?
Aging gracefully
April 21, 2017 - 10:20am
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I see you are past the 2 year
I see you are past the 2 year postpartum point, but many of our mother's do very well with the postpartum bundle. Or, you could just choose the basic starter bundle; that one has everything you really need to get started with this work.
I actually bought all of my materials separately, but that was when they were first coming out also. There are a lot more options now.
Surviving60
April 21, 2017 - 10:21am
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Everything can be bought
Everything can be bought separately, you just need to navigate a little bit around the store. I am contacting customer service to check and see why you aren't receiving newsletters. - Surviving
Ladybug79
April 21, 2017 - 11:25am
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My littlest turns 2 in 3
My littlest turns 2 in 3 weeks, but I suspect diastasis recti is also an issue. Am I too late to do that work?
Ladybug79
April 21, 2017 - 11:31am
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I was really just shocked at
I was really just shocked at practioners brushing this problem off as "nothing." I know that the bulge is technically my vaginal wall, but it's not normal as her "just" implied to me. I am feeling so alone and scared, but I am ready to move forward and heal my body. I think I have a lot of work to do and it's so overwhelming, but I know I need to just start. I still can't wrap my head around it all, but I know doing nothing is more damaging. I'm so worried about what the rest of my life will be like. Will I ever be able to enjoy sex? Will I stop peeing a million times from one glass of water? Can my organs and urethra and vagina move back? Can I run and play with my kids? Carry my toddler? Exercise? Hike? So much fear and sadness. And regret.
Aging gracefully
April 21, 2017 - 11:38am
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My daughter still had the
My daughter still had the diastasis recti years after her last baby. I loaned her my Goddess Belly DVD, and she said it really helped her a lot.
Knowledge is powerful, and knowing what you are dealing with and what to do about it is the first biggest step. Now you just need to have the patience and spend the time needed to get you back to yourself, doing all the things you want to do.