When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
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alemama
March 30, 2007 - 1:21pm
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Okay Lilly Anne
What is going on with you?
are you still on meds for constipation?
how is your diet?
are you doing anything fun in your life right now?
Trust your instincts- do you feel that something more serious is going on? If you do- see someone. Have it checked out- peace of mind.
I do a guided meditation where you *listen* to your body. You could try this - ask your body some questions and then just relax and listen-
You could start with something easy- like your feet- and when you get an answer move upwards. It ends in a suggestion to meditate on a word that you feel suggests something that you are lacking- healing, forgiveness, vitality ....what ever comes to mind- and then you breathe that suggestion into the part of your body that you feel is asking for it.
You can handle the frustration. I know you can. It is amazing how much of this is emotional- mental energy and not so much physical.
Maybe the moisture you felt this morning was just vaginal secretions.
Do you like to read? If you do there are some pretty funny, good books that have been distracting me lately. Or you could go for something more serious-
Hope your day gets better.
Christine
March 30, 2007 - 2:01pm
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living with prolapse
Dear Lilly Anne,
Prolapse is still very new to you and it will take time – maybe years – to adjust to your new reality.
I have no way of knowing what your particular symptoms might mean, but can tell you that it is very common for prolapse to continue, even after beginning the postural work, until the organs find their natural resting places. For a great percentage of us this means a sizeable lump in front and back. This could almost be considered the norm in older women.
It is also common for women with significant cystocele to recall a period of time in the past when they leaked urine. That time subsides, however, as the bladder falls further back, kinking the urethra opposite to how it is normally positioned, but stopping SUI all the same.
Personally, I think it is a great blessing our anatomy does this, because even a large bulge that must be manually moved a bit to pee is far preferable to leaking with every cough or sneeze.
What goes on with your bowel is intimately connected with how your bladder and urethra function. We all experience this when the flow of urine is stopped during a bowel movement only to resume again afterward. All I can do is encourage a natural diet of good food and no worry. Alemama has good suggestions for you.
I came across this today and thought it might be useful in some way for those of us living with prolapse.
CODE OF THE SAMURAI
I have no parents; I make heaven and earth my parents.
I have no divine power; I make honesty my power.
I have no means; I make submission my means.
I have no magic power; I make inward strength my magic.
I have no body; I make fortitude my body.
I have no eyes; I make the flash of lightening my eyes.
I have no ears; I make sensibility my ears.
I have no limbs; I make promptitude my limbs.
I have no design; I make opportunity my design.
I have no miracles; I make The Way my miracle.
I have no principles; I make adaptability to all things my principles.
I have no friends; I make my mind my friend.
I have no enemies; I make incautiousness my enemy.
I have no armor; I make goodwill and righteousness my armor.
I have no castle; I make immoveable mind my castle.
I have no sword; I make ‘the sleep of the mind’ my sword.
UKmummy
March 30, 2007 - 2:40pm
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Hi LillyAnne,I SO agree
Hi LillyAnne,
I SO agree with all that Christine and Alemama have said. Fear is really our enemy while living with prolapse. I know it is hard to not be fearful, I still struggle with this, and in fact have had a fear relapse the past few days. Truly though, you can't let the fear take over. (I know, easier said than done).
You say you can't find the prolapse at all so that's good I would imagine, in that there is no bulge. The main thing with the self exam I think is that if you bear down and feel ANY bulging or movement of the vagina, then that IS the prolapse. Generally women without prolapse do not bulge, or at least very minimally.
Deep breaths, be calm and you will be OK! x
howdidthishappen
March 30, 2007 - 7:11pm
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checking in on you!
hey lilly anne:
sounds like you're having a rough moment here. i gotcha. we all do. you know, i think as ukmummy so aptly put it, fear is, indeed, such a big factor here. i do know it is for me -- on the days (weeks?) that the fear is more intense, i am that much more hyper focused on the prolapse, seem to feel it more, and just have so much more roiling in my brain with it -- it then takes up all my brain space, you know? and then, it also really seems to feed on itself -- does that make any sense? the more i worry about it, the more i worry about it.
ugh. a vicious cycle that ends up leaving me freaked out and depleted.
i certainly don't have any answers here with this. i know the last couple of weeks have been easier for me, even when i had days or parts of days when i was aware the rectocele. i haven't been as overall freaked out about it and felt calmer that even if i felt the rectocele more, i would ease back into a more asymptomatic mode. and that has been useful for me and helped. how i got to that state of mind, though? honestly, i haven't a clue. really, not at all. i've been doing what i've been doing since november but i'm just in a more easeful place with it. i was thinking about it this afternoon about how good i felt all day and i just laughed to myself when i thought that no doubt, i will shift again at some point and i will find myself in a more tense place. hopefully, those spots will get smaller but...who can say? as christine said to you, you are really new to all this (as am i!) and it most definitely takes time to adjust to this.
(also just want to mention that sometimes, when i more aware of the odd sensations, i first tend to my posture and check in on that. if that needs correcting, i do that. and if i find myself still aware of any prolapse feeling, i can focus my attention to my belly and breathing into my belly and i find that helps to calm me and really shift my focus away from my prolapse -- sometimes, that's all i need to help things turn around for a bit.)
take care, sweetie. you've had a lot going on. how has eating been for you lately? have you been able to eat well or has that been difficult? i would think having a bowel movement everyday would be helpful. have i mentioned before adding organic black sesame seeds to foods which i'm finding really useful to have easy bowel movements? eating any beans or lentils these days? just curious about how that piece is going for you...i had a rough day last week after i had a meal that was...hm, well, let's say not helpful to me and my body. i felt it the next morning and it was quite a good reminder for me that eating well must remain one of the highest priorities for me. it's a good one for me to learn.
love to you, lilly anne.
xxsusan
Lilly Anne
March 30, 2007 - 11:44pm
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Thank you...
Ladies:
THANK YOU so much for your support and for rescuing me during my freak-out. I think I may have hit rock-bottom yesterday. It’s amazing how the mind can cripple you. I was/am scared, stressed, freaked, depressed and the list goes on and on. I am having a hard time coping with “this” reality… I hate it! I am scared because I feel discomfort. Will it ever go away? Will I ever feel normal, like before? Will it ever leave my mind? Has it gotten worse? I just feel like the prolapse has suck all the life out of me.
My IBS has been all out of whack lately. I have been under a lot of un-due stress lately - work and at home. Home was good stress though but it left me without a kitchen for the last month, which means my diet was all out of whack. Therefore, I know why my IBS is all screwy. I also just recognized that I have been drinking tap water lately. I had never had my tap water being that I live in a high rise in the city. Also, I recently started taking flax seed oil pills lately. I think that has contributed to my stomache issues. I saw my gastro today and he suggested that I stop taking them as well. Along with my IBS I have had much gas. That too is adding to my discomfort.
Alemama, you bring up a good point. No, I am not doing anything fun or anything that makes me happy for that matter. It’s funny that you brought this up. I had just had this conversation with my counselor on Thursday. I had identified the same thing. I am thinking of taking Salsa lessons. I love music and dancing. I think that I would enjoy it. Thank you for suggesting meditation perhaps that will help.
Christine, you know, I am wondering if my “unremarkable” prolapsed bladder has gotten worse. I think it may have and your explanation really makes perfect sense. As for the leaking of urine, perhaps I am just hypersensitive at the moment. But, after reflection yesterday, I can remember other times when I have leaked a little. Going back to my teens. I always chalked it up to being discharge. It was easier to cope with and didn’t happen with any regularity. I was never really sure and I also do get a lot of discharge.
Thank you Ukmommy for your support, I am trying to calm down and I appreciate your support. I just did a self check and I am now not sure if I feel something or not. I just wish I knew what it felt like before.
Susan, I went looking for the organic Sesame seeds the other day at Wild Oats but couldn’t find them. I am going to try Whole Foods this weekend. Thank you for being there for me.
On top of all the prolapse stuff, I think I am coming down with the flu. I am achy so I am going to bid you all good night for now. Thank you again for your support and for being there for me. With much appreciation!
Hugs,
- Lilly Anne
Lilly Anne
March 31, 2007 - 8:05pm
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Diet wake-up call
I just wanted to thank you for the diet wake-up call that you gave me. I was constipated again all day. Well, I went food shopping this evening and bought all the right foods. I actually do know what they are. Well, I GOT RESULTS!!! YIPPEE!
You know, I know how to follow an IBS/Prolapse friendly diet. I just got frustrated and fell off the wagon. Thanks for giving me a little shove in the right direction.
- Lilly Anne