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alemama
January 29, 2010 - 9:14pm
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hands and knees
The best way I have found to work in the garden is on my hands and knees. But then I don't do much work- I let dh do that. When necessary (weeding or turning soil) I go bum up and boy it works my shoulders!
clavicula
January 30, 2010 - 4:15am
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Same here. I love doing
Same here. I love doing almost all the works on hands&knees and it is easy this way.
Sometimes I bend from the hips, lumbar curve in place, great exercise for the hamstring muscles.
Can't wait to garden, we have HUGE snow here for weeks.
Re being active: I was all active last summer (with freshly found POP and a 6 mo), and it was hard sometimes, but I made it. This summer is gonna be a breeze! :D Really, do not worry about being active, do a lot "bum in the air" , and b aware of the posture, let yourself rest a lot in the evenings and you'll be just fine.
Liv
kaismom
January 30, 2010 - 7:46am
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Fellow gardener here. I too
Fellow gardener here. I too do the bum in the air thing. When I hoe I stay in posture as best I can. My son(11) helps me with any heavy lifting. I pay him well(it's a great motivator when you are 11). I also take a nap with my 21 month old in the afternoon. I find laying down for an hour really helps my rectocele feel better. Some days it feels like I may have done too much, but things are always better after a day or two.
Mellie
Ribbit
January 30, 2010 - 9:18am
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That helps
This whole posture thing is so new to me that I'm having a hard time balancing real physical limitations with what I *think* will be a limitation. It's not worth hurting myself and having to pay for it later.
So if I'm head down and bottom up, it's okay? What about if I sit on a low stool or bucket?
Hoe handles aren't long enough for me to be upright while I hoe.
I got a phone call from a friend/neighbor last night saying he was buying a huge truckload of chicken manure. Hurray!!! He offered me some....and also offered to till for me. I'm not going to explain why I suddenly can't do anything (maybe his wife told him, I don't know), but I sure am grateful!
Ribbit
April 18, 2010 - 8:04pm
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Spinach
I'm eating spinach and lettuce from my garden now. Yummmmm.
I cannot explain how delighted I am to be able to still garden. My friend's husband came and tilled and another friend is going to come Tues. to help me plant everything else. Better late than never, huh?
granolamom
April 18, 2010 - 8:56pm
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newbie gardener here
I've just got a small garden, its a raised bed 4X4 square foot garden which needed very little to maintain. dh did most of the lifting/hauling to fill it. I did the weeding/harvesting on hands/knees and the kids helped.
we also had some containers going on the patio for cherry tomatoes and string beans and herbs. also easy to care for.
this year I'm hoping to build another 4X4 raised bed if dh can find the time (I say 'I'm hoping to build' but I mean 'I'm hoping dh will build').
I'm envious of your 'real' gardens. and chickens too! would love to have some chickens, dh even looked into it for me but we can't legally have chickens here.
heavenly
April 19, 2010 - 7:46am
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Gardening/flowers
Same here gals. I was crying yesterday, such a beautiful day and wanted to work in my garden. Kept trying how to do all this in ww posture. Hands and knees was ok and watched other angles. Our beautiful leader is right.gotta find what works best for our individual bodies. I was trying to rake the lawn but the angle is not good. Trying to figure that out. So glad I can read all your comments, I have learned so much. Love You all
louiseds
April 19, 2010 - 10:04am
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(Grins from ear to ear!)
Hey Ribbit, I am so happy for you, nibbling bits out of your garden!
Another technique I use a bit is to plant in big tubs. I have a couple of 44 gallon olive drums that I have hacksawed in half and cut the bottoms out of them for drainage. I bury them in the ground a little, just to keel them stable, and fill them with soil and compost. Then I plant seedlings or seeds, sometimes mixed, eg tomatoes and basil, then when they are established I mulch them with shredded paper to conserve moisture and keep the soil cool in summer, and prevent weed takeover in winter. I like my big tubs because our dogs don't lie in them, or run through them and mash up the seedlings, and I can sit on an old, low kiddy's chair, legs akimbo, and plant and weed to my heart's content.
No dig gardens are great too. Just pile the soil and compost on top of a bit of weedy ground which you have covered in half an inch of old newspapers to prevent the weeds growing up through your soil. Maybe put a border, or wire mesh ring, around the outside, or just heap up the edges to stop water from running off. Then put about 6 inches of straw mulch over the top, and plant down into the compost and soil. The earthworms love the warmth of a raised bed, and will soon do all the cultivation for you, and break down the straw mulch. The weeds underneath will rot and the worms will also break up the newspaper base and bring nutrients up from underneath. Erfwurms are so cute!
You can make a spare tub into a liquid manure factory, and add all sorts of things to the brew, and decant off the lovely smelly liquid and pour round the base of your little planties. Mulch uses nitrogen to break down, so you need a source of nitrogen in your liquid manure to boost the soil nitrogen. I'm not telling what I use for that. Just keep it covered and the top weighted down well if you have free range kiddos!
Establishing gardens in April is the one thing we all have in common, no matter which hemisphere we are in. The last of our Western Australian wheatbelt's, really hot weather has almost passed, so winter seedlings will now survive their first week without frizzling. Our winter vege gardens are usually the most prolific and fun to do, because our summer vege crops have to be protected from the extreme summer heat and sun, and can be a bit frustrating. Enjoy!
Louise
Ribbit
April 20, 2010 - 1:17pm
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gardening posture
Well, I am finding that handles are not long enough for me to keep the posture. I have to lean over. I can do some hoeing and raking, but because I'm tall, I have a hard time keeping the posture. I always bulge a good bit more the day after I do work. I wonder how difficult it would be to make a handle extender.
Raised beds would really be ideal. But here at our new house in the country, the plot I chose for the garden has PERFECT soil. We did raised beds the last couple of years at our old house and we were astonished and horrified at the amount of money it took to fill them up!
I raked the soil into somewhat raised beds. By 12 inches anyway. Every little bit helps. When I squat down, it'll be easier to reach.
I planted several types of lettuce this morning and when the baby goes down for a nap again I'll go out and put some beets in. I love beet greens gently sauteed in ghee with garlic slices.
Oh, and Heavenly, I figured out that you have to rake as if you were sweeping. Next to you, not out away from you. Kind of pull the rake up toward you, held in broom position. It's easier that way. Takes more time, but you can still get the job done. Or if the leaves are dry you can always kind of bat at them gently. ;)
louiseds
April 21, 2010 - 7:19am
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Gardening flowers
Re raking, try doing it to the side of your body, like the video of Nikelle vacuuming, or across your front; or just hope for a windy day, and let the leaves make their own arrangements. Evergreens, eh?
Or just pull them out and plant concrete instead. No leaves. Not.
Louise
louiseds
April 21, 2010 - 7:36am
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rakes
Hi Ribbit
I would think a handle extension would be quite easy. you could slip a section of PVC pipe the right size over the end with as much extra length as you think you require, and fasten a couple of screws through it into the wooden handle. Or you could just go and buy a length of broom handle the right length and replace the whole handle.
Are you raking a seedbed or raking up leaves? I think the longer handle will work better either way because you can get it flatter to the ground and stick your butt out.
If you are raking leaves and have a power lawn mower you could just put it on high and mush them up and collect them in the grass catcher, a bit like a power-vac. It is an awfully noisy option though!
I find pushing lawnmowers, trolleys etc with my hips is quite POP friendly. Much better than pulling, which makes me tuck my butt under. You can't push a rake very well though!
Good luck. I think learning to love leaves is much more POP friendly.
Louise
Ribbit
April 21, 2010 - 9:22pm
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I lied.
I lied. Hoeing and raking was a big mistake and I'm paying for it majorly today. I hobbled around like a little old lady today (no offense to you little old ladies) in great pain. It was mostly centralized in an area inside my left hip and a little across the front, the place where I had the most trouble right after the birth. When I walk I find myself kind of swinging that left leg, and I feel like it's twisted slightly inward. A trip to the chiro helps, but it doesn't stay fixed.
So I can't do much more gardening until I have a few days of Christine's exercises to get me back where I'm supposed to be.
But I do have a question. How much is too much? Obviously if I'm in so much pain the next day I can hardly walk, it's too much. But if I do a lot one day and just feel a little extra bulgy the next day, and then things go back to normal ("normal"--you know what I mean), then is it alright to push myself to just that point? Or am I still setting myself back by doing that much?