When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
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MsNightingale
July 16, 2012 - 12:47pm
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Hello and Welcome Dear Angee
I am wondering if you have ordered Christine's book and DVDs yet. I am about two months here now and the posture (although very difficult to stay on top of, I am 61) has helped me and the DVDs are excellent. I think you will find them helpful...they also address issues like how to pick up things and such. Yes, your job is very demanding (also rewarding)...but the DVD will help to steer you as to how to correctly use your posture in many settings. I do not use pessary but you will find a lot of info here if you enter that in the search. I am sure you will hear from others with more experience, but welcome to this wonderful site and all the best to you!
marigold2
July 16, 2012 - 1:05pm
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welcome and suggestion
Hi angee
Welcome to WholeWoman. I have just written about using a sponge pessary, and there are other comments on pessary use on another current thread. A long day on your feet is not good news for us ladies with prolapse. I have had to look realistically at what I want out of life - at the moment nearly full time teaching. From September I will go down to one day a week, and am looking to earn a bit more income by doing offering homestays for visitors. I like to stay active (i'm 56) by gardening, swimming and cycling, however, having a bit more control over day to day is really important, as it means I can rest in between bouts of work, and do less on the achey days. Hence my decision to cut down teaching hours. (And enjoy a bit of reading or letter writing!)
Anyway, I am sure that litle by little you will find ways of manging your prolapse, and especially I hope that the current infections are cleared up quickly. Lots of probiotic yoghurt could help counter the effects of antibiotic. All the best, marigold
Surviving60
July 16, 2012 - 4:38pm
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Hi Angee – Do try the honey
Hi Angee – Do try the honey thing – get raw honey, local if possible, and put a little dab up in there from time to time. It’s one of Christine’s great menopause discoveries.
And don’t think you can’t change your posture at your age. That’s what I did and many, many others here. You have to!! 62 years of bad posture is enough. Your hips will thank you if you start this work now. You may be able to stabilize your prolapse, maybe even improve it somewhat, if you work at it. You’ll need to work on posture all the time, including standing, sitting, and lifting. You will need some extra tools like firebreathing and nauli to suck those organs up and forward. It isn’t a miracle cure by any means, and a lot of it is attitude. It beats the alternative by a mile. - Surviving
Brick2012
July 17, 2012 - 6:45am
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Honey treatment
Hello Surviving,
do you use an applicator to insert the Honey? what is the dosage you use?
thanks Brick
angee
July 17, 2012 - 1:49pm
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went to the Gyno today..
went to the Gyno today...Again he thinks i need surgery. I told him I didnt want it. He said that its getting a bad rap in the news because of the mesh. He said he doesnt use mesh. He takes a muscle from my stomach and makes a sling out of it. That means major surgery!! 6 weeks recup time and no lifting more then 5-10 pounds ever after...I cant give up my job!! And I will have to. I told him i was using the posture and was hoping I could benefit from that and he is not a believer. So what he is going to do is look for a pessary I can put in and take out myself. Otherwise he said never have sex again...because he would put it in and take it out....I also got a cream for irritation. Its estrogen based and suppose to help the tissue. Very expensive...Not a good day for me!! Just thought I would let you know what I found out. Any suggestions will hopefully help my depression. But I have made up my mind no surgery. Whats the point? Doesnt sound like it helps anyway.
Surviving60
July 17, 2012 - 4:30pm
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Honey
Hi Brick - nothing too scientific about the honey, I think you just take a dab with your finger and stick it up in there. Repeat whenever. You can figure out what works for you. I haven't actually tried it because I don't have that type of discomfort, all I usually need is an occasional touch of diaper rash cream right at the opening. - Surviving
Surviving60
July 17, 2012 - 4:48pm
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Hi Angee. I think only you
Hi Angee. I think only you can decide whether or not this doctor can help you. I sense that you go often, so be aware that if you are trying to embrace the WW approach, you aren't going to get any positive reinforcement from this guy.
If you think that he is understanding and patient, then you might go ahead and see if he can fit you for a pessary, because this can sometimes take many tries to get the right size and shape. Some women have great success, others give it up once they feel that they have their posture under control.
Learning and incorporating WW into your life takes time and effort, and it is work that you, and only you, can do for yourself. Stepping in to take charge of one's own well-being can be a big leap for some of us. Good luck and keep posting. And don't quit your job. - Surviving
louiseds
July 22, 2012 - 12:46am
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pessary
I would also be questioning why he has to take the pessary out and replace it. Why????
Posture, posture, posture. There are very few lifting and carrying tasks that cannot be done in WW posture. All you need is a long skirt and trousers, and be prepared to strengthen your lower and upper body in order to do it. You might also look at ways in which you can modify your working environment to be better for your POPs. If the Fembrace is not working any more it may be because you are relying on it, rather than using it as an aid. Improving and maintaining WW posture may improve the result you are getting from the Fembrace.
One of the more important aspects of this work is deciding to give it your all to make it work. It is not something where you can do one or two adjustments and expect miracles. It won't happen. It can be slow progress, but it will be steady improvement for years. As you don't want surgery, what do you have to lose by doing it all? It all works together for best results.
Illnesses which cause a lot of coughing or vomiting can play havoc with POP's. Getting on top of them is critical.
Stay in touch.
Louise
sevilla555
August 29, 2012 - 6:53pm
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Prolapse and Intimacy
I discovered my prolapse little more than a week ago while taking a shower. I have made an appt. with a gyn for Sep. 21. Basically I just want a formal diagnosis of exactly what kind I have. I'm post-menopausal. I also walk. A LOT. Try to get in a couple of hrs. a day (depending on weather). Have been doing this since my Osteoporosis diagnosis some yrs. back. I was prescribed Fosamax at that time. I decided against that. Happy I did. Many probs have been discovered with this med (and others in the same class - Bisphosphonates). One of the worst probs is breakage of the femur bone and jawbone deterioration. Many other other probs also exist with this class of med.
Anyway, to get back to my prolapse. It actually doesn't bother me a great deal. No pain. No incontinence. No constipation. I take a stool softener every other day and drink liquid smoothie style yogurts daily. They help a lot. I do feel a little heaviness in the vaginal area. Sometimes I can feel the little bulge of flesh but other than that no real probs. As yet. I don't have kids. I have been doing more heavy lifting than usual recently due to being a caregiver for my husband. Now of course I try to avoid that.
But what about intimacy? I noticed that another poster here mentioned that her doc told her ''no more sex''! She had apparently refused surgery and he was recommending a pessary. So what is the ''real'' situation re intimacy? Is it really a ''no-no''?
I shall post again after I get my ''formal'' diagnosis from the gyn. Unless she decides to refer me to a urogyn. We'll see. I know I don't want an operation. Of any kind. So am prepared for some frowns from the doc. Although if I have a ''mild'' conditon, they might not even suggest that. I also understand that a pessary maybe recommended. Haven't decided about that either. Is intimacy possible with that, or does it have to be removed beforehand? I am thinking about ordering Christine's book and following the WW posture advice.
Sorry my post is so long.
Thank you for reading and TIA to all responders.
Sevilla555
MsNightingale
August 30, 2012 - 2:30pm
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Hello Dear Sevilla555
Intimacy is usually not a problem with prolapse....although it will depend on your personal situation. I have been here for three months and most often I have heard things like...nothing better for a prolapse than an erect penis or things feel really good down there after sex. It is important that you stay comfortable so if there are positions that don't feel good, then don't use those positions. I have not had any problems regarding that but I am more aware of making sure that nothing feels uncomfortable than I used to be. There are some pessaries that do not allow intercourse and there are some pessaries that you can take in and out yourself and then you could just take it out when you want to. I have not tried a pessary. I do however recommend that you get Christine's book. If you can afford it, just go for the bundle. That is what I did. It sounds like yours is relatively mild so that is really great....no constipation, no incontinence and no real discomfort except that heavy feeling sometimes. I too am post-meno and in three short months of practicing posture (trying for it at all times and trying to make it my life posture) and rotating gently the DVDs for exercise, I feel much better and much stronger. That is in addition to my walking in WW Posture. These tools (especially the book but I think the DVDs as well) are crucial to our understanding what is going on so that we can be committed to doing what we need to in order to prevent our situations from getting worse and in so many cases, to improving dramatically our prolapses. I think you are new here so welcome and I hope you will post back after your dr appointment. My very best wishes to you! Oh--you said that you are an avid walker...me too. However, you want to be sure to walk in WW posture. Have you been applying this posture in your day? If not, then you might want to walk a little less in the beginning and be sure to always check in with the soft relaxed belly, uplifted chest, crown of the head lifting upward and feet facing forward. If you are new to this posture, then I recommend that you rest frequently throughout your day while utilizing this posture whenever you are up and about. All the best Sevilla! And I think you have posted here on a thread started with another topic. I am not the best with computer, but (I think) when starting a new topic or conversation, you can always go to the yellow navigation box on your left and push "create content". When you have finished typing you will need to save it to a subject which you can choose the most appropriate. That way, it is easy to find you, your questions, and you will find more women answering your specific concerns. Have a lovely day.