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prolapse2012
September 12, 2012 - 6:02am
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Reasons
I have suffered with very heavy flow for years. I was convinced by my Family Dr and SIL to try the Merina IUD. I also have uterine fibroids (3 if I remember right). When I felt like something was really falling out here about 3 weeks ago I went to see my Dr. he confirmed my suspicion and said I would either be looking at a hysterectomy or to just live with it. Lots of women do. I have been referred to a gyno and am waiting to see her. I am not wanting surgery. I want to die intact. This is my body and I have these pieces for a reason, therefore I'd like to keep them very much.
The best information I have found is right here.
I now know I have a choice.
I have control
I have help.
I am using the posture and the few excersises shown here and waiting patiently for my book and dvd to come.
Swannee
Surviving60
September 12, 2012 - 6:35am
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Short answer to this question
Short answer to this question....If you go to a surgeon for advice, the advice you will get is surgery!
Bluesky
September 12, 2012 - 7:11am
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Me too
Hi Me too
Went to GP yesterday she sujested me to go a surgery if hadnt been for this site i will have no idea n would have said yes
I asked if i can have a 4 th baby she said tecnically yes but thats going to make things worse i dont know how far its true
1. Will there be any urinal infections in case of blader prolapse?
2. Can i use senna to cure my constipation? How much to use how long n what time of day?
wholewomanUK
September 12, 2012 - 9:22am
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reasons given for surgery, cystocele and pregnancy
Hi sevilla555,
Good question!
Reasons I've heard women report on this site and in person:
No reason at all given: just told about surgery.
Surgery will make things better.
Whilst you're having this surgery for prolapse, you might as well have another, to save having it done later
Women are often (usually?) not told the adverse poss side effects of surgery. Women are often not given info/leaflets re the condition, the treatment option and the poss adverse effects, when they need it most, i.e. when they are trying to make a decision. Women appear to often make a decsion during or following a verbal discussion with their doctor or gynecologist, with little or no information.
The usual current mainstream options are:
Pelvic floor exercises
Nothing
Surgery.
So the options are pretty limited - and either too much or too little in many cases.
Hi Bluesky,
Welcome to the WW community. I'm so pleased you found us!
Many women on this site have experienced or have bladder prolapse or cystocele when pregnant. Type in 'pregnancy and cystole/bladder prolapse' into the box at the top left corner of this page, and lots of previous posts will come up.
Mainstream medical practice says there can be a link between cystocele and bladder infection. My thoughts are that presumably, if the prolapse improves the problem of bladder infection is reduced. So I would thoroughly recommend you follow the WW way; posture, exercise, life-style, diet... Lots of info in this website. Look up: resources, videos, dvd's, book...
Re constipation. You could use senna - and from what I've heard it can certainly 'clean people out'. However I've also heard this cleaning out process can be quite harsh on the interior linings of the elimination system. I would think of this as a last and non frequent resort. Don't strain on the loo. If you need to, lean forward with thighs touching not sitting on the loo. In the long term as a general rule, healthy life-style, diet, relationships, exercise... it's all part of a holistic WW approach. Prolapse health is part of general health. Ill health often arises out of something being out of skew... I highly recommned you follow the holistic WW approach - to improve your overall health and reduce or eliminate constipation.
'The Saving the WW' book and dvd's are also full of helpful and well researched adivce and suggestions.
Wishing you all, all the best.
xwholewomanuk
sevilla555
September 12, 2012 - 8:52pm
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THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT
Surviving60
Quite right. Surgeons do tend to promote what they do. BTW, forgot to ask something. Is a sling procedure the same as a mesh procedure? Not that I'm considering either, but was just wondering.
Prolapse2012
My feelings are the same as yours.
wholewomanUK
So sad that we women are in this situation where so little info is out there for us. And I'm so very glad I found this site. I think women should ask, if offered surgery, ''what'll happen if I don't have the surgery''?! It honestly amazes me that in this day and age prolapse is often still taboo and hardly ever, if at all, does one hear it spoken about in medical documentaries or medical interviews. Sure, one can hear about breast cancer day and night. And for SURE we all hear about PROSTATE issues ad infinitum. Even hysterectomies have had their share of publicity, especially when everybody suddenly made the discovery that so many had been performed unnecessarily. But PROLAPSE! Not a damn word. Except, of course, for those lawyer ads all over the media outlets offering their services to women who may have been injured in some way by having mesh surgery. And EVEN THEN, if I remember correctly, I dont even remember the word ''prolapse'' being mentioned (although I could be wrong there). Well, the lawyer ads are all over the media in the US. Don't know about the UK. BTW, I'm a British expat living in Los Angeles.
Kind regards to all of you and thanks for responding.
sevilla
wholewomanUK
September 13, 2012 - 5:09am
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Taboo words
Hi sevilla555,
I think that's right - Once I'd got over the milestone of coming to terms with having a prolapse issue, I now try and talk about it whenever it's appropriate and I feel comfortable to do so. I do remember when breast cancer and prostrate cancer suffered the same fate of being something embarrassing and not talked about. It's wonderful how much things have changed since it became ok to talk about - and the health services around these areas have also improved so much since then. Just shows how talking, sharing and caring can bring about such positive changes.
On a slight tangent, I'm also slightly amazed that so many people find the word vagina such a difficult word, especially as it's an anatomical word. The whole area around female sexuality and reproductivity seems somewhat taboo for many people around the world. I really feel any change in the near future will almost certainly come mainly from women like ourselves helping other women, to empower and support all women initially to initiate positive change within our societies and medical practices.
Lets be the change we want to be and see the change we want to see:)
xwholewomanuk
prolapse2012
September 13, 2012 - 6:48am
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Taboo
Ooohh I like this idea!!
I'm with ya!
KiwiSarahsa
September 19, 2012 - 1:19am
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Midwife advice
At 2 weeks PP when I felt a feeling like a tampon coming out after a walk, I had a look at my vagina for the first time since the (vaginal with episiotomy) birth, and the word 'prolapse' instantly popped into my head. Went straight to Doctor Google, found some awful forums - women with PP POP bemoaning not having had c-sections etc. Called my midwives, described what I was feeling and seeing. The one I spoke to confirmed it was a prolapse, it wouldn't go away, would cause (unspecified) problems as I got older and I could have an operation to fix it after I'd finished having children. Talk about blunt! I was devastated, especially after the other one had a quick look and said it had been a long time since she had seen someone so young with prolapse. Anyway... kept googling, found this site, realised I didn't have to have surgery. I am so grateful for the information and support here. I will definitely point other women to this site whenever I am able to talk with others about these 'women's issues'.
Surviving60
September 19, 2012 - 4:00am
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BelaWhite SPAM ALERT
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Surviving60
September 19, 2012 - 4:57am
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Hi KiwiSarah, thanks for
Hi KiwiSarah, thanks for posting. Hope you are getting your questions answered. This is a wonderful community and WW is truly the only way to go. Correcting the posture after childbirth while you are young and your body so responsive, is really a huge asset in so many ways. I felt better on Day One just knowing I had this option. Now 2+ years later, I still marvel daily at the implications of all this and can't fathom what the "rest of the world" is going through on a daily basis. Keep up the good work - Surviving
PS: Not only does that doc have a questionable bedside manner in alarming you with her statement, she is also completely mistaken about the incidence of prolapse in young PP women.