Current missed m/c and now today, rectocele too! Help!

Submitted by LovinMyBabies on February 8, 2007 - 11:20pm
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Hi, I'm new to this subject matter. I am 37 and a mother to several children.
About the M/C-(I'm 9 wks, but baby died at 6 wks. in utero and it has not yet passed) I would like more children, so a d&c is out if I can avoid it. My bladder has protruded slightly for a long time, (my uterus is tilted forward, so I don't know if that is a factor.)
Anyway, I have taken Borage Oil capsules prior to some of my labors so that I can dilate faster and deliver easier. It has natural prostaglandins in it. I began taking it
(1xday) since I have not yet begun to pass the baby or even spot.
About the prolapse-I get very constipated if I eat anything that is nutritionally naughty, which I did yesterday. Last night, before bed, I had to "eliminate" and my rectum definately prolapsed into my vag. canal. My question is, I usually have very strong pelvic muscles. I can usually push a baby out in 3 contractions, and last time I was only dilated to 8.
I am wondering if the borage oil could have been the precursor for the rectocele, (it always makes my vag. walls soft, squishy and pliable.)
If so, should the prolapse correct itself after the borage oil is gone from my system? Or has the damage already been done? Help!!
(Few docs know about this stuff...)

howdidthishappen

February 9, 2007 - 4:53am

hello lovinmybabies:

first of all, i'm so sorry about your miscarriage-in-progress. i miscarried a number of years ago and i was sad sad sad. so i'm thinking about you and sending you love.

as to the answer to your question, i honestly don't know, but i'm think susun weed's site and, specifically, her forum would be a great place that might have some answers for you. they have a pregnancy forum as well as general health and wellness forums and an herbal one. don't know the best place to post, but i would definitely go over there and ask the wise women. they are a very informed, utterly pro-women, low intervention bunch.

personally, i doubt one capsule of borage oil could have been the precursor to this. i would think you've had the rectocele for a while and maybe right now, with the pregnancy hormones still swirling around, the emotional piece of miscarrying, you might be feeling it more.

do you have a midwife you use and can speak with? maybe someone here has some thoughts for you but, again, i would go over to susun weed's site and you might find some support and answers with this there. (my guess is that a few people will have some ideas on how to help you pass things along using herbs as i see you want to avoid a d&c.)

best best of luck to you with this and hugs to you.

xxsusan

LovinMyBabies

February 9, 2007 - 11:34pm

Thank you for your kind words. I have ordered Dr. Christopher's False Unicorn and Lobelia which is supposed to save a healthy pregnancy and yet safely and thoroughly deliver one that has passed away. I have midwives in the practice I go to, but for some reason, I only was set up appointments with the OB's this time. Is there a connection?? Hmmmm...
Anyway, as for the borage oil, I have used it many times over, but it
does make everything very spongy and soft. I dunno. The rectocele was very sudden, and filled space up in my vag. canal, and I had to push it back into place. Eww! At the time, I didn't even know what it was called. Weird. Is it something I would have to have surgery for? Or can it self-correct? Thank you again.

howdidthishappen

February 10, 2007 - 5:09am

hello again, lovinmy babies:

well, this is a site that certainly supports women and shows us how to live withOUT surgical interventions of prolapses. the site is jammed with info about the reliability to the "repair" work so i would suggest looking through. better yet, should you have the ability, i would order christine's book so you could relax in bed and look through it -- read it whenever you have a moment. it really is the best source for ALL this information.

personally, i have no interest in any sort of surgical "repair." they are unreliable, at best, and frequently lead to a HOST of other problems not to mention further prolapses. christine's work with posture is critical and made a difference in what seemed like the "sudden" appearance of my prolapse and it immediately improved. i've made big diet shifts. doing pelvic floor pt, castor oil packs, taking herbs, doing lots of things. but, honestly, the very best place to start would be to get your hands on her book and start to go through it. (most of the info in the book IS on this site, but to have to sift through it is just tremendously time consuming -- that's why i strongly suggest thre book, though, again, it is all here if you don't have the funds.)

many doctors do suggest surgery, though it sounds like there might be the whisper of a swing away from that. just remember that once surgery happens, there is no going back so to give yourself time to try these methods where there's no risk of permanent damage just seems prudent and wise.

i hope you receive the herbs soon and that you can pass this pregnancy with as much ease as possible. please give yourself some time to heal and grieve with it as well. as i said, i felt deep sorrow when i miscarried and didn't find much support with it afterwards save for the first few days.

hugs to you.

susan

louiseds

February 11, 2007 - 1:39am

Hi LovinMyBabies

Welcome to Wholewoman Forum. You have a lot on your plate right now and lots of questions don't seem to have answers.

Re your miscarriage, I am not certain that you definitely will pass it. In my second pregnancy I had an ultrasound indicating twins at eight weeks, but only one baby was ultilmately born at term. The obstetrician was not at all alarmed that there was no evidence of the second foetus at the time of birth. Apparently they sometimes just don't develop into a baby, just a mass of tissue that is ultimately reabsorbed by the uterus. So it is possibly not quite right to think of it as a baby, as wierd as this might sound. I hope you aren't offended by this.

When your menstrual cycle recommences you may pass it then if it hasn't been reabsorbed, but your body doesn't seem to think it is pregnant any longer, so you may not have a labour. A phone call to the doctor may clarify this for you, then you may be able to stop worrying. On the other hand, it is all very well for me talk. I know I was quite distressed when one of the foetuses didn't show at the next ultrasound. I can see how it is distressing you.

You are in the right place to help sort out our prolapses. Keep calling back and tell us how you are going.

Cheers

Louise

LovinMyBabies

February 11, 2007 - 10:29pm

It is a cystocele (bladder, right?), not rectocele. It confused me because I was constipated and thought since that was the instigating factor, it meant it was bowel related. Will the fact that it is the bladder prolapsing make miscarrying this baby dangerous for me if it occasionally pushes into the birth canal from sneezing, coughing, emptying my bladder, etc.?
Still haven't passed the baby yet...darned Prometrium they put me on for low progesterone!! I stopped using it on Jan 28th, but it is still keeping the little one in there. I will let you know...Thanks again to you all!

louiseds

February 11, 2007 - 11:24pm

Hi LovinMyBabies

As I understand it you have cystocele (bladder) and recocele (rectum). You really need to ask your doctor about what will happen if and when you pass the foetus. None of us on this Forum is a doctor to my knowledge, and I am certainly not an expert on borage, so I wouldn't even try to answer your questions. Both the matter of not passing the foetus and the use of oral borage (while or soon after taking a pharmaceutical drug) are matters for professionals to answer.

I can only encourage you to seek professional advice on both of these things. Sorry but I really can't say much more than that.

Cheers

Louise