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granolamom
December 10, 2007 - 5:07pm
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'it gets better'
when I say my prolapse gets better I mean that I have no symptoms and if I check internally for it, the bulge is higher up and/or smaller.
mine has never 'gone away', nor do I realistically expect it to at this point.
what pulls the prolapse up into a better position?
ime, posture and excercise. but not only from increased muscle strength. its more muscle reeducation in my mind. teaching the muscles to support your organs in a better way.
I went through a constant-checking phase too. no good came of it. I feel much better when I don't check. I stopped looking in my magnifying mirror for wrinkles around my eyes too.
AnneH
December 10, 2007 - 5:11pm
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My uterus gets pushed back
My uterus gets pushed back up a bit. Sometimes after I wear my pessary a few days it will stay higher for several days even without the pessary. Sometimes I think the cystocele keeps it up out of the way. Maybe the uterus swells and shrinks with hormones. Who knows. When it "goes away" REALLY, the definition is that I forget about it, which means the symptoms are minor. That is the whole goal as far as I'm concerned. If I am not thinking about it, then I am happy.
Zelda
December 10, 2007 - 8:04pm
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Ebb and flow of my organs...
Yes there is definitely a "tide". And so much I don't know about "down there".
I am NOT a checker. The mortification of finding my parts hangin" out the first
time ? was enough for me.
I have been thinking about writing a questionaire ( If only I could learn to use more fingers
when typing !) because I think alot about what got me here. Alot . And what may have gotten
You here . ? . In what way Can we take responsibility for the life-style choices that got us Here?
My story is complexer- than I thought. I was a macho woman. I had a Dad who really wanted
a son. Who thought women used men and calculated what they could "get out " of a man. who
attached to Men out of Need. I grew up ashamed of my Mothers' dependence... Of her artistic
(my artistic) tenedencies .Split my own god-damned wood ! Need ? ...Ok fix my car.
I loved my strength and independence. I loved hiking straight up those steep trails. Stopping to
catch my breath always further and further UP the trail. X-country Skiing. I averaged !5 hrs per week
of hiking this summer and most of it well before 9am.
Then I hurt myself ( helping someone I was indebted to) worked too hard I guess. Now my parts
is falling out. I had no BLEEPing idea we were so fragile ! I am the product of feminism saying not
can we ? But we should, and how !
Now ? When I consistently move slowly and respectfully and don't just grab things and move 'em. I' m
(fragile-ly O.k.) Ok. O.k. kinda. The posture feels like the most ridiculous thing in the world.
ALL kinds of finger wavin' women come to mind. BUTT and BOOOBS OWWWUT !
I think it's working though ! And I think back to the beginnings of my body image problems...
I was Ashamed when I started "budding" ... and that's when my shoulders started rolling forward.
And when my ass started to round ? (17- "Baby making fat") because I Was fertile as HELL. I tucked
my bum under because I wanted to look skinny. boyish. capable. Now there's a recipe for a straight spine.
Sorta' like a laundry shoot. How many of you lovely earth mama's have a similar tale ?
Like many of you I had birth trauma. My 2nd was long homebirth( or I would have had an epesio. !) 11' 12 oz.s,
and I admit my lower back has never been the same and mild incontinence etc. But this ? My youngest is
!2 yrs. old and I'm only 39. But I've only had one ovary since 15 yrs. old. Still - I felt really cheated until I
read someof you youngsters' stories. Now ?
Now when I hold my body all Sassy -like ? Well ? the parts they start behavin' !!! I'm So hopeful I will
split the hairs of hope and denial, and find a compromise I can be content with.
So . there's my 2 cents. I am your posterchild for success. No babies . I can pace myself. I AM still (sorta)
in shape and motivated . Because I miss being able. I LOVE being alone with my dog in the woods. I just gotta get
thru this crux. The Reach is a really a bitch though! It's an overhang with few toeholds.
I think there are difficult lessons in this for all of us. ASKing for help, feeling loveable in spite of need , etc..
I'm so grateful for our collective consciousness and wisdom here. I'm certain that my trail would be a lonely
hack in the jungle with out y"All. We are walking down the information hi-way hand in hand. We might be a bit
busted up and frail but our hearts are So good. Some of the very gentlest and dearest women congregate here.
Glad to know you.
Zelda
fullofgrace
December 10, 2007 - 8:49pm
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checking
I was obsessed with checking, believing the next time I looked, I'd look "normal" again. I finally decided to stop and I began to heal emotionally. Now the way I look is normal. It's my mommy body.
Jane
btw granola mom, I had to laugh about the magnifying mirror and wrinkles!
mumwithone
December 10, 2007 - 10:09pm
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Can't help checking
I'm afraid I'm also at the stage where I keep checking. I can't seem to let that one go at the moment, I hope I'll get there one day.
My cystocele I can see easily so some days it looks really big and close to the vaginal opening and other days not as big but it's always there. I think this is dependent on how much time I've spent on my feet and being active, but not always.
With the rectocele I can feel it manually some days and not others, I think this has to do with if there's anything in my bowel or not.
With the uterus, some times I can feel it with my finger and some times I can't at all.
I don't know why they move up and down. I guess that's why I'm always checking. Some times there seems to be no pattern to it, so in some ways it's probably not such a good idea for me to keep on seeing where my POP is at. It remains a bit of a mystery to me, apart from obvious causes like being active that day, or lifting, or the state of my bowel or bladder. Menstruation cycles also seem to influence it.
Sorry I'm not too helpful, but I think POP is always there, just to a lesser or greater extent from day to day.
kiki
December 11, 2007 - 4:23am
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stopping checking
i also checked a ton when this started, and it really stressed me out. i'd know things were worse, and then look--and of course they looked worse, and i'd be devastated!
finally i decided to tell myself that checking was making things worse (which i think it does, because it makes me stress / get depressed!) so now i only check if things are really reall you of sorts and i can tell they need a bit of rearranging, or if they feel great--and even then only occasionally. and that really helped. it helped me get on with my day, and not have these mini panics all day long.
it's not going to go away, but if i just had a bladder prolapses i really wouldn't know it existed anymore. i can't see it and it doesn't bug me. it's move up inside. the frequency is tons better, and i learn to adapt with when i drink etc.
i think the healing is natural postpartum healing, the posture, strength coming back to my whole body, and i know homeopathy and accupuncture really helped me--so not one answer, but a whole lot together!
the rectocele on the other hand is another matter...but i try to have faith that we'll get there, and if it stays where it is well, it's still better than it was 10 months ago and i've lived with it this long!
but at least i know one of them has made itself scarce.