I just had a baby and somethings bulging

Hi,

I have a 20 month old and I was diagnosed with bladder prolapse after his birth. I am actually trying to conceive again at the moment, and all my doctors, physios, natural healers etc have said that the prolapse will not affect me trying to conceive.

Hope that answers your question.

Good luck.

Deb

Welcome, Candice,

Conception and pregnancy with prolapse are completely possible, but I encourage you to begin looking now for a doctor or midwife knowledgeable in this area. Read through Fullofgrace's posts, as she is just about to deliver after conceiving and coming to full-term with a prolapsed bladder/uterus. Please don't be frightened! This is a time for you to learn the deeper mysteries of womanhood.

I have come to view the post-partum period of life as most important for preventing/resolving uterine and bladder prolapse. Try to read as much here as you can, and then order a video...the exercises and posture are designed to reinstate natural curvature to your spine, upon which pelvic organ support depends.

Wishing you well,

Christine

Hi Candice,

The video I referred to was my own...available by the end of this month here on the website. I've included an anatomy lecture and lots of useful lifestyle information as well as a posture and exercise demonstration. I don't know of any other videos in this category!!

:-)Christine

Hi,

I also live near the Cleveland Clinic. Please share info with me if you can find a good doctor. All of this just happend to me and I don't know where to turn. I don't really trust my present doctor but I am afraid to go to a new doctor.

Take Care...Dolores

I had my first bought with a prolapse uterus after my first child but the midwife did not know what it was. It looked like it went away but it came back after my third child when I was in the beginning stages, went away during and came back after for a little while. By then I thought it was me so I said nothing. It came back in the beginning of my first then disappeared again until after. This time it was so bad that I could actually feel the whole uterus and cause so much leg pain that something had to be done. I do not like getting cut into so I have stalled for more than a year and suffered in silence. I have even been tring to think of ways to delay my yearly because I know that I will get badgered into setting up an oppointment. If I had information earlier I could have help myself three childern ago. in short You can have childern still you just need to take care of yourself better so you do not harm yourself more. I have not ruined myself but I could have stopped it from getting worse as I went along.

Welcome, Rairai,

Well, if you are very interested in preserving your uterus and all the benefits it will provide throughout your life, perhaps you will try this postural and lifestyle work to see if enough difference can be made for you to live comfortably. Your uterus will shrink dramatically by the time you reach 50-60 years of age and your small, fibrous cervix will likely position itself enough inside for you to be as active as you wish to be.

It takes a lot of care, however, to manage severe prolapse through your thirties and forties, as well as patience, acceptance and the belief that your uterus is truly worth saving while you bring your entire body to a higher state of health. It

I find the last post from Christine very interesting, from what I gather from this post is that the worst time is then during your fertile years, and through early menopause, and then as nature takes its toll on the uterus by shrinking and what not it should be more manageable??? Not to drag out an old horse but, this is encouraging to me, as I am in my early thirties, and the thought of it getting better after 50, just by nature itself, seems like such a welcoming thought! Can you shed some light on this. The reason I am asking is because there seems to be a lot of women who are in their 50's and 60' on this forum? Some even having had the prolapse issue start in those late years. I am still trying to get a handle on all this, and have been reading reading reading, and I find the most interesting stuff on these older posts!

Hi agnusdei,
I am 50 and noticed my cervix popping out about 2 months ago, and I am still having my periods. I have also read on here that the uterus does shrink and becomes more manageable.
I will tell you that although I have only been doing this for over a month now as long as I do the exercises and really try to keep posture, she hasn't been popping out and I do not have the pain and burning of my organs rubbing together. My uterus has a long way to go yet to get up even higher, but I am so happy with the results so far!!
I think there is hope for any of us as long as we are willing to really commit the time and thought into it. I wish you well!

Yes, you are right. Without the ups and downs, hormonally and emotionally, life becomes more steady from a POP perspective. The hormonal changes over the month no longer ride the physical temporary setbacks, and we are more steady emotionally after menopause. We don't have to cope with feeling like an empress one day and a slave the next, because of our more even temperament.

But we still have temporary setbacks, and we still have doubts about ourselves.

The menopause continuum sees a lot of changes. Yes, the uterus does shrink dramatically from fist sized to bantam egg size or smaller, and the vagina and vulva dry out and become prone to irritation and inflammation. But our connective tissue becomes less resilient and previous damage may begin to cause symptoms. Many women have prolapse but do not notice it, presumably because the vagina is well lubricated during reproductive years, so the walls can move over each other smoothly. More connective tissue between organs probably cushions them and makes them move over each other more easily and reposition themselves more easily. Menopause certainly lets us see more clearly what we are dealing with.

I am convinced that I am actually a different woman. My POP symptoms are even different when I have them! When you think about how little girls progressively and quite quickly change into young women at menarche over several years, it is logical that the same scale of changes happens at the other end when we leave our reproductive lives behind us, and carry a few life scars to add to the mix.

Louise

Dear Agnusdei,
I was pregnant with my 2nd child when I discovered a rectocele, 17 years ago when 33 years old.
I managed to resist surgery, because of the appalling manner of the gynecologist, & the surgery prescribed...
thank goodness you will be better informed...
I have had access to the internet for only two & half years & found this wonderful alternative to surgery 6mths ago when I was having some difficulty with elimination due to incorrect posture resulting in splinting more & the feeling that tissue wasn't as elastic as before, & pelvic organs seemed to be descending more.
Whole Woman Posture enables all the organs to become used to their natural positions as I go gradually into menopause a WHOLE WOMAN yippee!! Also with strong limbs, wonderful balance & preserved hip joints...
I also have a fibroid which I know will shrink eventually, & am managing it with a diet rich in omega 3.
I am eternally grateful for Christine Kent & her work...
Best Wishes
(((hugs)))
Aussie soul Sister

Very insightful, Louise!!

Hi Aussie Soul Sister

I found this article today. http://radiographics.rsna.org/content/22/2/295.full.pdf+html . It is quite an old paper about pelvic organ prolapse from a Radiologist perspective, which is a bit different from a Gyn perspective, because imaging differentiates different types of tissue, rather than the gyn approach, which is surgically making support out of something that isn't support. I am in the middle of doing a review of the paper. One of the things the author does is comment on the fact that fibroids work against prolapse by making the uterus larger, so the fibroid can have a pessary like effect. I wouldn't wish fibroids on any woman, but having them removed may have the unexpected negative effect of making it easier for the uterus to prolapse, apart from the risks of surgery.

Louise

Made a double

My mom had fibroids when she was a little younger than I am now. She had a couple of smaller ones removed, and then a larger one grew after that. It was about the size of a grapefruit, I guess. She also had a lot of heavy bleeding with it. She opted for the hysterectomy.
I did tell her about my prolapse, and the first thing she said was you'll probably have to have a hysterectomy. I told her about this site and that I was keeping my uterus!
She is really old school and claims not to have any problems right now, but I worry about her getting an enterocele (correct spelling?). It is good to know from the reading on this site, that if I do develope fibroids that I can manage them.

Thanks for all the comments. I really feel blessed to have found this forum. I have had this issue for about 3 weeks now... and I am still living! Even though when I found it I thought surely I can't live with this! So silly I know, but it is almost as much an emotional ride as the issue is itself. I cleaned the attic toy room yesterday, and boy was it bothersome for me after that. But I know posture posture posture. I have horrible posture but I work at it continually. My husband is taking me to see Carol in Pennsylvania the second week of January, so she can show me all the posture, if I am doing it right and the fire breathing. Books take forever to arrive here, and so we are going to find someone to watch the kids and then take a nice long 8 hour drive to go see her, and have the whole time to talk together without kids. We have not gone without the kids over night for almost 5 years now, so this is a good gift for both of us! But I am sure we will miss the kid, seeing as we are so used to having them every waking moment. Thanks again for all your insight!

Those little ones do kind of get attached at the hip don't they?!? Lol! I wish you a safe and happy trip! The next stage of your adventure!

Wow ! What a gift your husband is giving you to see Carol and have that personal posture work. And, a bit of time without the kids so you can talk about them and miss them sounds lovely. I applaud your wonderful husband for supporting you in this time and I wish you the very best!

Agnus, I was fortunate to meet Carol at the WW conference earlier this year. She is amazing and this trip is going to be such a breath of fresh air for you as you get your WW program underway. Have a wonderful trip. Your hubby is a gem. - Surviving

Dear Louiseds,
thankyou for your research on fibroids - very interesting how our bodies adapt!!
Will be keeping mine, though I am lucky apart from unpredictable periods an just fine...
agnu - best wishes for your consultation with Carol
(((hugs))) & best wishes
Aussie Soul Sis

Dear Agnus

Great to hear that you are going to do the big trip, that your kids will be spared a trip that might not be fun for them, and that you and your husband can have some re-creation time.

Your Mum may not have problems. I have spoken to women who have no problems after hysterectomy. However, the problems, when they do happen, are very difficult to deal with, and may involve more surgery, or chronic suffering that is not easy to address. As you say, enterocele can be a time bomb, and it might appear at any time, even decades after the surgery. Also, your Mum may have wisely been conservative in the activities she does, and hasn't pushed her body to the point where she has risked it unduly.

The other aspect is that when a woman finally goes ahead with hysterectomy, esp if it is during menopause when she feels that her body has been 'possessed by aliens', and in your Mum's case she had a considerable sized repeat fibroid, the doctor would have made a very strong case for hysterectomy, to the point where she was convinced that there was no realistic alternative. In short, she was in a very bad place, so the improvement would have been major, and her state before hysterectomy would be her benchmark of how bad it can get. A person is in a very suggestible state; a state where it is possible to plant ideas in people's minds. eg, it is a technique used in interrogation to get the person to admit to a crime, either because the technique of the interrogator is sufficient to make them doubt their own version of reality, or just to be rid of the torture.

It may be that she does have difficulties brought on or worsened by the hysterectomy but that she doesn't see them as being anything to do with the hysterectomy, but maybe part of the ageing process. Her doctor, out of the need to be seen to be blameless *may* have been economical with the truth too, ie maybe she believes her torturer?

There are too many variables to be able to call it. She is simply very lucky, both to have had few side effects, and to have you as a daughter.

Louise

And yes, you are very lucky to have found this alternative path. Agnus, one of the very powerful things about Whole Woman techniques is that they are reversible. You can back out of them if you think you have given them the best chance of working, and you really don't think they are helping. You can always opt then for surgery of some sort, knowing that you have not prejudiced the results of the surgery. Whereas, if you have surgery first it will be more difficult and complicated to use Whole Woman techniques, simply because of the effects of the surgery. It is not comparing apples with apples.

I firmly believe that all women should learn Whole Woman techniques prior to having surgical repairs, and that health insurance should recognise that it should be WW first, surgery second.