Lower Back Pain

Submitted by DonnaK on January 3, 2005 - 6:36am
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Hi All............Ive been here for a while and I never thought to ask this.........I have been in agony every morning with lower back pain....it seems to be related to my bowels, hence my rectocele...Does anyone know if the rectocelee, or universal prolapse might be the root of my lower back pain?

Christine

January 3, 2005 - 7:13am

Hi Donna,

Yes, prolapse causes great musculoskeletal discomfort, particularly in the lower back, tailbone, shoulder blades, and neck.

Don

catwoman

January 4, 2005 - 8:25pm

Greetings Everyone!

I am essentially a first time writer here on the message board. I am 47 years old and was diagnosed with a cystocele last May. A full day of gardening manifested the prolaspe for me though it probably had been hinting to me of its existance for several months. And I had low back pain challenges for about three years or so prior to any knowledge of prolapse though an acupuncturist claims I had other forms of prolaspe throughout my life with hemmoroids and dysfunctional uterine bleeding. I was never blessed with a child or even a pregnancy so my prolaspe originated from other reasons.

Christine, your wisdom and knowledge has been invaluable to me. Within the first month of doing the exercises described in your book the feeling of prolaspe within my body has almost virtually disappeared. You have enlightened me in so many ways through your book and through your words on this website. Thank you. When I went for my gyn check-up, I took your book with me. The nurse practitioner wrote down the name of the book and your website for her own personal reading!

My goal is to do the exercises as described in the book every morning. I also have incorporated the maya massage technique though I am not faithful to it. I try to walk every day. Every other week I receive massage therapy which includes cranial sacral work for the prolapse. This seems to be also helping. I do go to the chiropractor every week. This is important due to the tug and pull going on inside the body. I just started with a new chiropractor. His method is network or biointegration chiropractic and takes into consideration emotional, physical and mental aspects of the person and is a gentler, more detailed form of chiropractic. I have tried acupuncture for the prolaspe but did not find, at the time, that it provided any real effect on it. I sit much of the day due to my work at the computer and follow your sitting suggestions in the book. Have also purchased a kneeling chair.

In your recent response, you mentioned how the prolaspe can bring on discomfort not just in the lower back and tail bone but also the shoulder blades and neck. My massage therapist had theorized this connection and I was so glad to have you confirm it! This will prove to be very helpful information!

Christine, I have some questions for you:

1)I have not ordered the video yet. Are the exercises in the video different from those in the book? If so, how? If they are, do I integrate the book and the video exercises together?

2)Your previous response states the following:
-Practice the seated postures to build up musculature in your back and abdomen
Which seated postures are you referring to?

3)Also, the previous response states:
-Perform routine exercises that build up the gluteal muscles and elongate the hamstrings.
Can you please list exercises to achieve this?

4)In various messages there has been discussion regarding yoga. I attend three 90 minute yoga classes per week and have an excellent teacher who is very caring and attentive to my special needs. He adjusts postures for me due to my prolaspe and low back conditions. And my body is very flexible. Christine, can you review once more and specifically what postures in yoga you do not favor for prolaspe conditions? Also, does standing forward bend - done as an individual posture as well as incorporated into the sun saluation sequence cause undue pressure on the prolapse? I suspect discomfort from it.

Happy, Healthy, Blessed New Year to all!

Thank you.
Evie

Christine

January 5, 2005 - 9:50am

Hi Evie!

Yes, the exercises in the video consist of a short, strategic program to lengthen the hamstrings, build the gluteals, and re-establish natural anatomy of the organs. I think you will find it more useful than the exercises in the book. Right now I do only the exercises in the video, but will integrate the

DonnaK

February 6, 2005 - 7:31am

Christine, thank you so much. I have only just been able to read your reply to my question. I have been in extreem pain. I will look further into what you've said. I thought I was going crazy! I've felt like I've fallen off a 10 story building! Every morning I wake up with my back screaming with pain, but its (pretty much) gone by the time I've been up for an hour or so. I will try to apply your knowledge. And when I pray, I will thank you again in my prayers! Donna

DonnaK

February 6, 2005 - 7:42am

Christine, one more quick question, Is it my imagination, or does the pain worsen before/during and or after your menstrual cycle? If so, can you tell me what my organs may be doing in there? Just FYI, I seem to have a Universal Prolapse, but my Uterus seems to be getting back to normal, I havent seen it look like the uterus in a while, I can only see the bladder and rectum prolapsing........Donna

Christine

February 8, 2005 - 7:53am

Hi Donna,

I don

DonnaK

March 11, 2005 - 9:32pm

I am at such a loss.....I cannot understand the posture you describe. I fully intend to buy the book, I will be able to afford it soon. I am trying to use what I've learned at the gym where I am trying to get rid of 36 inches around my stomach that will NOT go away after having my daughter in June of last year. The whole rest of my body is GREAT.....but my stomach still looks 8 months pregnant! Thank you for all the help...what would us gals do without you! If only we could ALL SEE you........I'd give my next paycheck to be able to see a doctor/specialist/MD/OBGYN who knew what the heck I was talking about!

Christine

March 12, 2005 - 9:11am

Dear Donna,

Thank you for your honest and poignant message. It shows the limitations of the written word to communicate what may be most essential here.

For the past year I

DonnaK

March 16, 2005 - 7:47pm

Thank you for a different angle of insight. I feel somewhat self centered. I guess I've just always had control of my body, and now I've completley lost it. The pain is so bad in the mornings that sometimes I wake in the dark and cannot get back to sleep, or I find myself dozing back off sitting upright on the couch. I will look into the site that you've suggested here. Thank you for not being completley frustrated with anyone (like me) who just cant seem to accept (or deal with) it.

Christine

March 17, 2005 - 6:55am

Dear Donna,

The level of pain you are experiencing is not right. You didn't mention it in your last message, just the tummy, so I thought it had improved. Please go to a doctor. I wouldn't mess around with a chiropractor, but would go to an orthopedic specialist. Maybe it's because of our recent discussion with Debbie D., but it reminds me of the pain of scoliosis!

I've changed the wording on the posture download (which Shayla will put up today), but as I've said here many times, there should be no trying to curve the lower back. Rather, the abdomen should relax over the pubic bone. This is not a flopping over the pubic bone, but a side-to-side bracing that happens when we draw the head up and forward and push the shoulders down.

Oh Donna, I don't think you're self-centered! I think that you are having a very difficult time and are trying very hard to improve your condition!! I just think that our culture sets us up for so much suffering in so many ways, and was speaking in general terms about that.

Please let us know how you do, Donna. Women wouldn't read and write to this board if they didn't care or want to hear that you are okay.

Wishing you all better,

:-)Christine

Debbie D

March 20, 2005 - 12:40pm

I just had an opportunity to read some past posts. I saw my name mentioned. I read what Donna K was experiencing. At times having scoliosis is uncomfortable but never the pain that Donna is describing. Much of my pain is probably due to lifting my two children all day as I notice the pain more during these times. I will say that it is very hard to hold the posture while carrying around children. Also most of my back pain is where my spine has the most curve mid back. I had lower back pain after delivering on my back I think my tail bone area was bruised. I told my doctor and she said I probably had arthritis (crazy).

Deb

DonnaK

April 6, 2005 - 7:33am

Thanks girls, for being so supportive! Well, I went to the OBGYN, who told me (just before my menstrual cycle) that my "prolapse" isnt that bad. I believe that just before my cycle (1 week) my body is put together a little better, and then through the month it gets worse...I guess...anyway... .within days...my bowels were trying to exit my vagina and my bladder is pushing my NuvaRing right out of me! So here again, I have a doctor who seem no know too little about prolapses to guide me. My lower back pain and abdomen pain is still here..EVERY morning, so bad that I cannot get back to sleep if I wake too early for my day. Thankfully it subceeds within about a half hour of getting up. It just HAS to be my female organs repositioning themselves during the night. I've awoken earlier during the night a few times with no pain...the pain seems to begin around 5AM, after I've been lying down for 6 hours or so.......Maybe some of these details will trigger something in your minds that might help me.....?????? Thank you soooo much for caring! I wish I could help you as much. I hope some of my experiences written here are helping someone! Donna

Christine

April 6, 2005 - 8:43am

Hi Donna,

Gosh, I have no idea, but if I had to take a wild guess maybe your lower bowel is slightly obstructed because of the rectocele/cystocele (you

DonnaK

April 6, 2005 - 11:33am

Thank you, yes Im aware that it could have been from the ring, but Ive only just begun to use it (1 week) and my pain has been about two months after my daughters birth last June...maybe that has done something..? I will look further into it... if I can find someone to take me seriously, as youve mentioned. Thanks for trying to figure it out, maybe someone else will recognize my situation and offer anything theyve learned. I'll let you know if it turns out to be something that you should be aware of....Thanks again..Donna

DonnaK

April 6, 2005 - 11:37am

Hey Christine, am I nuts or have ALL my posts "Lower Back Pain" been on the 5th of a month??!! How weird...maybe we should play those numbers! Just noticed..and thought it was quite a coinsidence (spelling?).............D