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granolamom
September 4, 2010 - 8:05pm
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how long does it take
some women see changes almost immediately. others (myself included) see nothing for a while. took almost a year for me to see measurable changes.
bear in mind that #1 you aren't in posture all the time yet and #2 you didn't develop this prolapse overnight.
this is not a quick fix, it takes time and commitment, its a forever type thing. but it does work, so well worth the effort, imo
have you tried the firebreathing and/or nauli yet? you might see things move more quickly
stick with it! I know how frustrating it can be when you dont see results. for me, it helped to imagine tiny changes in muscle length and fascial shape that would one day add up to a smaller higher up bulge. change is always taking place, we just dont see it until it reaches a critical mass
louiseds
September 4, 2010 - 10:44pm
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Welcome Healthnut
Hi Healthnut
Granolamom is spot-on about how long it takes and the nauli exercise. We are writing this story as we go along, so it is hard to say what is the best way to speed up the improvement.
It is not magic, and it is not a sales pitch. Many of us have managed to get significant prolapses with a lot of perineum damage to behave themselves to the point where life goes back to normal, as long as we maintain optimum posture, ensure that clothing doesn't compress the lower abdomen, pay attention to diet to avoid constipation, exercise appropriately and learn new ways to do things that support our natural pelvic structures.
All the factors I have just mentioned are commonsense really, but our modern, stressed and hurried lifestyle and our slavery to modern food, clothing, furniture and other lifestyle factors kind of sabotages our natural structure if we let it.
Wholewoman posture is the main component, 24/7. This is hard at first, until it becomes second nature, and/or you start to feel your symptoms less or less often. Once you get to that point it is self-affirming. Some women feel a degree of improvement immediately, while it takes weeks for others, longer if they are less than 6 months postpartum.
The principle of WW posture is to keep the pelvic organs resting at the front of the abdomen, but like many longterm biomechanical conditions it is sometimes necessary to 'reset the clock' over and over again, until you have the whole body back in harmony, for this is not just a pelvic condition, but one that has relevant connections to upper and lower parts of the body.
Our everyday activities, if strenuous, will also get in the way of re-establishing optimum biomechanics. We all have temporary setbacks which we recover from in few days, but it can be disconcerting for us until the improvement starts happening again.
I suggest that you work hard to get all factors happening at the same time in your waking hours. This can be exhausting and maybe uncomfortable at first, until you realise that you are doing a complete health makeover. You are the only one who can make that commitment. The flipside is that the results that you will eventually achieve will make you wonder what all the fuss was all about, and even doubt that your POPs were as bad as they are now. You will still have the damage, and the potential to return to pre-WW condition, but the body is amazing in its ability to compensate for its own weaknesses and adapting the way our brain works so that it looks out for its body's wellbeing in the end.
I couldn't stick to a diet unless my life depended on it, but over the six years I have been doing this I have become much more physically able than I was previously, and I know that the configuration of my pelvic organs is now quite different to how it was at my worst, which was cervix or cystocele peeking out from my vulva. I am 57.
The only things I don't do now is lift heavy object to the point of straining. I can still get the job done, but I think my way around the problem, seek more help and use mechanical aids. I dance and run and wrestle sheep if I have to, but I know when to stop, which I didn't before. I also break up strenuous tasks that will take a long time, so that I am not doing one particular job for more than an hour or so, eg pruning vines up on a ladder, or pulling weeds. Change the task, change the position frequently, work out ways to achieve the same results with less forces pushing your pelvic organs back and down. Baby steps.
There is also a head change. The expectation to get your POPs to disappear for good is irrational. Your organs are now hypermobile and always will be. Living well, losing the resentment for being care-free, losing the fear of your pelvic organs descending further is what it is about; and giving thanks for being whole and not having to live with the further limitations, certainty of further surgery and damage from surgical repairs. The goalposts have shifted, that's all. You can still kick goals.
Louise
kiwigirl
September 6, 2010 - 5:09am
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Hi healthnut
Was just having a quick look here before bed and spotted your posting.It does take time, just wanted to confirm what Louise and granolamum said, you will get there, with ups and downs along the way, but always with hope and friendship here, as many of us have found. I am new this year, and so glad to have read some of the posts here though not all .And to tell you that after a not so good last friday, waking to an allergy full day ie spring hayfever,preceeded by a few days constipation, I was not a happy girl. To top it off I picked up several people from the airport transporting them to their motels for our workshop weekend of dancing.The POP was not good, and wind pains on top of that throughout the evening.Was on my feet helping in the kitchen in between dancing, so you can imagine the POP by midnight Saturday!A very big bulge!
But I did my best to keep posture, bend as in fire breathing several times, and also push the bulge back up, sorry TMI but have to do this x2 daily. Hopefully when I have been doing the work longer I may not have to. But then given my age , similar to Louise's, there are other hormonal factors with our age. I can cope if I have to continue this regime.
Had a busy family Sunday then a good sleep last night. I am heaps better today and so is the prolapse. Constipation sorted again, so thats helped.Bit of stress buildup last week did that for me.So keep up the posture watch stress, diet and constipation and you will start to feel the changes when you least expect it :-)
Recovering that quickly after this weekend shows me that something is working.Im a happy girl today! All the best on your journey, take it one day at a time and you will be pleased with the results.
Cheers Kiwigirl
healthnut
September 7, 2010 - 9:25pm
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Thanks Everyone!
I so appreciate everyone taking the time to post a reply to me. It means so much. I have had this prolapse for six years now. Most of the time it has not bothered me. I would notice it most when I was tired or not feeling well or constipated. But lately it has not been receding like it used to and I am pushing it up 4 and 5 times a day if I am on my feet. Everyone is telling me to just go get it fixed. My mother had one repaired years ago and has never had any problems but she had already had a hysterectomy so no worries about the uterus falling later on. I have days, like today when, despite my resolve, I start contemplating surgery just to get some relief from the constant bulge. It does cause me a lot of stress and limit my lifestyle. It is surprising that it has gotten so much worse lately as I have recently changed my diet to include green smoothies and cut out bread so that I am never constipated anymore. I hope to get the DVD some time this week and will start the breathing and nauli exercies. I will keep everyone posted to my progress.
Healthnut