When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
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granolamom
December 7, 2010 - 9:48pm
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welcome
hi little bit, and welcome to the site
you sound like one strong woman, and my guess is that you will enjoy the ww posture and workout. especially once you see the benefits it brings you.
I'm glad you found this site too, hyster is not inevitable for women with prolapse. I find it tremendously empowering to know I have an alternative.
I never looked into t-tapp, but thanks for sharing your experience with it, we are all learning and charting the course for non surgical management of prolapse, every woman's experience matters here!
aza
December 8, 2010 - 1:03am
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Welcome!
Hi Little Bit,
You sound like you are going to fit right in here. I am glad you found us and look forward to hearing more from you.
If modern gynecology knew how much women learn form one another, they'd try to market it and make a profit ;)
Little Bit
December 8, 2010 - 9:23pm
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Thank You
Aza and Granolamom, thank you so much. I had so many questions before I found this site and the search feature in this forum is WONDERFUL. I always loved sleeping on my tummy but wasn't sure if I was causing more harm or not. What a relief to learn that it is a good thing. I also walk my little dog about a mile twice a day and always feel better after the walks. I was getting worried though that I might need to stop those walks. Just knowing that I am not the only person going through this is a tremendous help. I am reading Christine's book slowly trying to absorb everything. There is no way that anyone would ever be told this much information by their gyno.
clavicula
December 9, 2010 - 12:59am
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Welcome!
Hi, Little Bit, welcome to the site! :)
You really should walk as much as you can/feel comfortable. We are also doing big flapping movements with our arms to help reshaping the fascia in the body.
Thanks for being here, let us know how are you feeling!
Liv
Little Bit
December 10, 2010 - 8:04pm
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Healing
Thank you Clavicula. I am feeling MUCH better today and feel that I am healing. I believe the WW posture is helping. Breathing deep is one thing that I keep reminding myself to do and that too seems to help. I also started back drinking a cup of warm raspberry tea each day. For some reason the warm tea seems to have more of an effect on me than drinking it cold. I live in a community where there are many Amish and it is common for those women to have 8 to 12 children and seem to have no problems. Most of those women drink a lot of raspberry tea, especially when pregnant. I wish I had known what they knew when I was pregnant with my two children. I had very difficult births. I've done a lot of research on raspberry leaf tea since moving to this community and was amaized to find out about all of its good qualities. There was about a 100 ft. row of black raspberries planted on our property and I now collect the leaves each spring and early summer and dry them for my own tea. It is usually red raspberry tea that is found for sale but any of the raspberry leaves have the same medicinal properties.
I found in my research that raspberry leaf is known as a "smart herb", that it only does what needs to be done and that it is safe to drink daily. It is also an herb that helps connective tissues. I've also noticed that my fingernails seem to grow longer and are stronger when I drink this on a regular basis. If I drink a cup at the first sign of a cold or flu, it seems to protect me and if I am already sick before I think to drink the tea, I notice that the symptoms only last 2 or 3 days and aren't as severe as usual. I was also lop-sided since I was a teenager and I noticed after about 6 months that I was no longer lop-sided. The tea isn't bad tasting at all, similar to a good quality black tea. I actually prefer it now over black tea. I just thought this might help someone else.
granolamom
December 11, 2010 - 7:24pm
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raspberry leaf tea
I'm a big fan of this tea too! I always get the red raspberry leaf tea (that's what my mw had recommended). is the black raspberry leaf tea the same in terms of benefits, etc?
we have red raspberries growing on our property and while its difficult to harvest the berries (the birds like to eat them before they ripen), I make good use of the leaves!
I prefer the tea hot too.
Little Bit
December 12, 2010 - 11:35am
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Raspberry Leaf Benefits
Yes, according to the research that I have done, all types of raspberry leaves have about the same benefits. I can't tell any difference in the taste either between the red and black. Our little farm was once owned by the Amish and I got curious when we looked at the place before we bought it because the Amish woman was drying raspberry leaves in an upstairs room. This woman already had 8 children with another one on the way. Later, I remembered it and did a search on the Internet and found that it has many more benefits than just those associated with the uterus. There is a wonderful little Amish bulk food store about a mile from my house and they always carry the red raspberry leaf tea. If I run out of my black raspberry tea, then I get red raspberry tea and both types do seem to work the same. During this past summer I mostly drank it cold and for some odd reason it just didn't seem to work as well even though I could tell there were still some benefits. The past few days I have went back to drinking it hot, or at least really warm, and what a difference. I have one of those little mesh stainless steel tea balls that I put it in and I always let it steep for about 10 minutes. I have read that is about how long raspberry tea should steep. I make it fairly strong too, almost as dark as black tea would be.
clavicula
December 13, 2010 - 12:22am
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Raspberry leaf
Never tried raspberry leaf tea. Will give it a try, you ladies made me curious! :)
Liv
Little Bit
December 14, 2010 - 11:32am
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Let Us Know
Hi Clavicula, Please let us know if the raspberry leaf tea seems to help. It is said that it "tones" the uterus. Amish women drink this tea all during their pregnancy because it is suppose to make deliveries much easier. I actually didn't know that it also is said to help with prolapse until several weeks after I had started drinking it. I started off drinking it because of its protection against colds and flu. I noticed several improvements in my health and really got into more research and noticed that it is said to help connective tissues. Now, this is why I became so interested. When I owned horses, two of them (a mother and daughter) had a very bad connective tissue disease that I believe was genetic but that has not actually been proven to date. To make a very long story as short as possible, I have became very interested in any herbs, etc., that will help connective tissue. The conventional vet that I was using when my mare first went lame told me that the kindest thing that I could probably do was euthanize her after the strong pain killer that he had been using on her didn't seem to have any effect. Then I checked with a holistic vet that I knew that only treated small animals but owned horses and knew about them. She suggested several things to me that I tried, one at a time so that I could see whether they had any effect, and the mare slowly improved. There was one supplement though that I tried the last of all because I didn't see how that supplement could help a horse or anything else. My mare was much better but still lame. I went in a health food store and they had the supplement on sale so I bought a bottle just to see. Two days later the mare was not limping at all, even running with her young foal in the pasture. I started taking the supplement myself (it was a human form) for my arthritis and after taking it one day I woke up the next day without a pain in my body. I gave my horses this for about 10 years and there wasn't anyone that could tell they had anything wrong with them.
I had no ideal at the time that this supplement is also said to help connective tissues. I didn't even know at the time that what my horses had was actually a disease because the conventional vet that I was using said that he had never seen anything like it and he was considered the best vet in the area. I have been taking the supplement myself for about 17 years now but have been very lax about it in the last couple of years since my arthritis pain seems to be gone. That may be because of me drinking raspberry leaf tea because that too is suppose to help with arthritis pain. Anyway, I have actually ran out of this supplement and have ordered more but the company is out of stock and had to back-order it. I believe it too may have been helping my prolapse problem but I have searched on the Internet and have not found any reports of it helping with prolapse problems. So, when my shipment finally comes and if I found out that it is indeed helping, then I will let you ladies know exactly what the supplement is.
Sometimes you have to get to the lowest point inorder to climb back up and that is sort of what happened to me. I was doing rather well with my prolapse but thought I would have no choice in having my uterus removed in the future. I found the t-tapp site and I'm sure that the "half frogs" made my prolapse worse after only 2 days. I'll never do them again. Then I found the WW site, ordered the bundle, and have been doing much better since. I've went back to taking better care of myself and plan to continue for the rest of my life. I haven't finished the book yet but have been discussing some of it with my daughter. She asked, "Why don't they teach this stuff in health class?" I agreed with her that they really should.
alemama
December 14, 2010 - 8:46pm
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popping in to say
I drink it. Especially during my second and third trimesters. My mom drank it too through her pregnancies. She credits rrl tea for her easy deliveries. I don't, cause mine are not easy :) but I do think it does help the uterus have good tone or something like that.
Sadly I do not love it. I wish I did, then I would drink more....as it is I have to force myself to finish one cup each day. I've tried mixing it with other teas but I've finally decided it's medicinal and doesn't have to taste good.
clavicula
December 15, 2010 - 1:35am
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RL tea
I have no idea if I had easy deliveries or not, they were fast and intense and prodomal labor kept me toned weeks before the actual birth (all 3 were 37-38 weekers, go figure) so I gues RL tea is not for me during pregnancy.
But now I am not pregnant (TTC to be honest), will give it a try. Is it safe during TTC?
Liv
Little Bit
December 15, 2010 - 11:51am
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Not Sure
Clavicula, I'm not sure what TTC is but from all that I have read, raspberry leaves are suppose to be a very safe herb. Safe enough for even children to use and safe enough to use daily. There are not many herbs that I would use on a daily basis. I always give myself a break and take a few days off after using them a week or so but raspberry leaves are said to be completely safe. We are all different and anyone could have a reaction to something that most people wouldn't. Whenever I try a new herb, I listen to my body and if I think I am getting a bad reaction to it then I will knock off for a few days, see if the symptoms clear up, then try it again for a few more days to see if the symptoms come back.
Little Bit
December 15, 2010 - 12:03pm
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Capsules
alemama, have you thought of trying the capsules? I just checked at the vitacost site and they do have the raspberry leaves in capsule form. I can't drink the tea straignt myself, need a little sweetner, but I like it much better than black tea. I usually use stevia or raw sugar as a sweetner but anyone could use whatever they feel is best. I love honey but don't like it in my tea. I love cranberry sauce but don't like cranberry juice so occasionally I take cranberry capsules to ward off any urinary tract infections. I've only had it once but never want to have it again so a couple of time a week I just take a capsule and so far, so good.
Little Bit
December 15, 2010 - 12:25pm
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TTC
Hi Clavicula, dumb me. I just did a search and found out what TTC means. I also did a search and according to a pregnancy health site, red raspberry leaf tea is the best tea anyone pregnant or TTC can drink.
louiseds
December 19, 2010 - 7:49pm
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Raspberry tea
Hi LittleBit
All this info about raspberry tea is fascinating. I visited Lancaster PA a few years ago and was told that, contrary to what you have said about Amish women, many of the women have very serious childbirth injuries and related conditions. I was only there for a few days, and was not well at the time, so I didn't have the chance to explore it further. My guess is that there is the same amount of variation in Amish women as anywhere else. Do you know of any resources where I could find out more about Amish women and how they 'do' childbirth? I got the feeling that this is information they would not share with outsiders.
Louise