I have a severe pelvic organ prolapse involving my prolapsed uterus, prolapsed bladder, and irritable bowel syndrome, with all three becoming more severe in the past 3 months.
My osteopathic doctor is pressuring me to get a hysterectomy, and seems to think I am self-destructive for not getting it right away.
I am wanting to get a second opinion within another health care system which has an "Alternatives to Hysterectomy" clinic, and am waiting for a phone call about it.
I have survived extreme domestic violence, including having been stalked for almost 10 years by my ex-husband, as well as being sexually abused, as a girl child.
I have lived on public assistance in order to heal the severe post-traumatic stress I developed as a result of being the target of this violence. This assistance does not provide enough food stamps to actuallly live on, so one is forced to go to emergency food banks and to subsist on devitalized foods. One is also forced to go to low-income health clinics who do not treat low income women, especially midlife women, very well, or very equitably, compassionately, empoweringly, or informatively. I was unaware at the time, yet now I feel these factors helped me to develop prolapsed pelvic organs.
Public assistance, itself, is a form of institutionalized oppression, in my opinion.
I have used the public assistance, however, to heal from the post traumatic stress significantly, through EMDR Therapy, and Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. and Traditional Chinese Medicine [Acupuncture, Shiatsu, and Qigong]
I haven't been in a sexual relationship for years while recovering. But since I am now recovering from the domestic violence, I now feel ready for an intimate relationship with a man.
But while I have been healing the post traumatic stress trauma, my pelvic organs have been prolapsing. The low income health clinic doctor I saw a few years ago told me of the prolapses, but gave absolutely no information on what I could do to heal it, or prevent it from getting worse.
So I had despaired that I may not be attractive to a man with these prolapses. It wasn't until I read in Saving the Whole Woman about how one's lover probably wouldn't even notice the prolapse! That thought hadn't occurred to me, I had felt so much shame and embarrassment about the prolapses!
Now, I have moved to another state and to another health care system where a female gynecologist within my HMO strongly recommended a hysterectomy after her attempt to fit me with a pessary, of any size or shape she had, failed.
I very strongly prefer to heal using Christine's approach, if at all possible, plus using Qigong [I took a workshop with a Qigong master who told me my prolapses would heal by doing a lot of Qigong practise.]
I have already been the target of plenty of violence for being female in a very patriarchal society. I prefer not to add to it by allowing myself to be hysterectomized.
I intend to be as loving and self-respecting and healing towards myself and my female organs as I can. I intend to celebrate the beauty and wonder of my femaleness.
I think probably abdominal massage, femoral massage [one Traditional Chinese Medicine website recommended that femoral massage to increase the blood flow to one's uterus to increase fertility, and yoga, and aerobic exercises, like walking, swimming, calisthenics, biking, would also help. I have started to do more regular aerobic exercises, too.
Part of me feels hopeless about the severe POP and the pressure to have a hysterectomy which I feel would probably experience as very emotionally devastating to me. I have been very physically out of shape, have developed diabetes, from feeling disempowered by depending on public assistance/disability.
Yet, another part of me is a very fierce peacable warrior who has dreams I still want to fulfill, like returning to school, writing professionally, returning to work, travelling, starting and running a small business, and finding a lover or husband. I have already survived many "hopeless" and "impossible" things!
I am very gifted, talented, intelligent, and have a lot of formal education
and life experience which I want to use to contribute to my society. I am a fine artist, designer, writer, seamstress, and have worked in health care.
I possess a strong passion for holistic and complimentary health care, after witnessing my mother, a wife of a career military man's treatment by harsh, insensitive, very patriarchal military doctors, who had her lie on a very hard table while in labor when giving birth to me and my siblings, gave her drugs to sedate her outrage about the sexist way she was treated as a career military wife by my dad's military "higher-ups," and these drugs eventually destroyed her mind, as I watched her self-destruct. These insensitive doctors threw drugs at her in response to her extreme despair about being treated with violence as a little girl and as a wife.
I have been learning a lot of information about being "Healthy at 100," the title of a book by John Robbins of the Baskin Robbins family.
He shares that it is very possible to extend one's life using principles and practises he's learned about very long-living, very healthy people, who live to 100 and beyond in excellent health.
This information is helping me to let go of internalized ageism and sexism I have towards myself, absorbed from the oppressive aspects of our Western "civilization," and to be aware of how to have excellent very fresh organic nutrition.
I would appreciate some encouragement and emotional support: Is it still possible to manage these prolapses without surgery, even though the female gynecologist says it's severe???? [My uterus has only decended a few more millimeters, I think, and has not fallen completely out of my vagina. My urinary incontinence has worsened such that now I really have to run to the toilet very quickly as soon as I am aware of the urge to go, and a tiny bit more urine leaks out of my urethra. My irritable bowel syndrome has been activated more the past few days. I am considering doing an herbal colon cleanse program. Has anyone within the Whole Woman Village done one? Did it feel safe, helpful?
Thanks!
Wise Woman
Christine
February 1, 2011 - 11:28am
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the doctor says so
Hello and welcome, Wise Woman,
Of course is it possible. This is what WW is all about. We have had many discussions about "How bad can it get?" See if you can find them using the search function.
I am sorry you have suffered so much. I believe we all share a common story. Some more, some less affected by the fear, pain and greed our culture engenders.
Believe in yourself and trust your body's ability to stabilize your symptoms. Urge incontinence is common at your age and can be easily managed. Eat well, rest often and be strong.
Wishing you well,
Christine
pollyanna_inuk
February 1, 2011 - 12:57pm
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Hi Wise Woman,
You have had to go through so much and must be very strong to have got to where you are now. Although I only have a rectocele and slight uterine and baldder prolapse I was so afraid when I first found out. Even since finding WW and reading things here on the site I have been tempted to consider surgery when I have been really low. Something always makes me re-think and the more I read here and on medical sites about the possible/probable complications of surgery the more I an determined to avoid going that route and re-kindle my belief in healing myself.
I have also experieced the prolapse improving then getting worse when I don't look after it so I know I have a degree of control (I have known about my POPS for about 6 months). I also realise there will be no quick fix and it will take time and commitment You are already ahead of a lot of people in realising this with your experiences. Be strong and give yourself time and don't be pressurised into anything by anyone - its your body.
Big hugs,
Pollyanna ;)
Wise Woman
February 1, 2011 - 11:52pm
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Letting Go of Fear
Thanks, Pollyanna!
-Wise Woman
Wise Woman
February 1, 2011 - 11:56pm
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the doctor says so
Hi, Christine,
I am very grateful to have found your website and DVDs!
Thanks for the encouragement!
I'll look for the Village's dixcussions about "How bad can it get?"
Blessings,
Wise Woman
louiseds
February 2, 2011 - 9:56pm
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Wise woman
You go for it, Wisewoman. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. The answers are within your body. Now uncurl yourself, lift your chest proudly and be the woman you are. If Wholewoman techniques didn't work, I would have been outta here a long time ago. There will be so much improvement for you.
Louise
wholewomanUK
February 8, 2011 - 3:58am
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love and support
Dear Wise Woman,
I am in awe by how you've come through so much.
And the passionate gentle strength & wisdom you've developed from the healing experience. I think this inner development is an ongoing experience for many of us. In many ways our prolapses are both the symtom & result of some of the problematic areas in our lives and also the slowly, patient path to restoring our female equilibrium, peace & happiness. The past has brought you to this point. The future is now more than ever by the sounds of it, is yours to nurture, love & design. Your dreams are well within the realms of possibility. Work & play towards them in some way each day. A thousand miles is covered one step at a time! x:) wholewomanUK
granolamom
February 8, 2011 - 3:04pm
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welcome, wise woman
welcome to the site
can I just say that while I am terribly sorry for all you have endured, I loved your post? you are so inspiring. you do so completely come across as a fierce peaceable warrior.
anyway, you say your prolapse is severe. I dont question your description because in my mind, the degree of severity can be accurately assessed only by the woman with the prolapse. but just to put it into perspective, my bladder was trying to make a getaway when I got here and now its tucked safely up inside. a dr probably would've called my cystocele 'severe' had I gone to a dr.
so yes, I think you can see positive change without a hysterectomy.
louiseds
February 8, 2011 - 10:16pm
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hysterectomy or not?
Hi Wisewoman
The question is not whether or not hysterectomy will help your prolapses. The question is, "What effect will hysterectomy have on my whole body, my whole life?"
If you have three organs acting together to stop themselves going down the plughole, and you remove one of them, will that not mean a smaller plug and risk of it going further down the plughole? What you have now is nature's pessary.
As you are an older woman your uterus will be very small anyway. How can its removal improve your health POP-wise? It would be the other procedures they would do at the same time that would hitch everything up, for however long they would stay there, and move your vagina forward which would make further prolapse more likely. That's before you even start talking about the contribution of your intact uterus and ovaries to your wellbeing for the rest of your life.
Have you been to the HERS Foundation website, www.whersfoundation.org ? You really need to go there before assenting to hysterectomy. Nora Coffey, its founder, being interviewed by Christine is available for viewing in The Theatre of the Village.
By all means visit the Gyn to talk about it, but take the list of "Questions to ask the Gyn" from HERS with you.
My guess is that your uterus is the 'whipping boy' for your IBS. The uterus has been removed from women's bodies for many spurious reasons over history, of which many have been wrong.
Louise