When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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Christine
September 16, 2005 - 12:54pm
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Hi Lisa,
You sound so much better! I agree with everything you say and that is the purpose of the WWProject
talia1
September 21, 2005 - 5:05am
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Hi Christine
I wanted to tell you that the work you are doing is really valuable to all of us. I also want you to know that as a nurse and menopause educator I fully support the WW project and would love to be a part of it in any way I can. I look forward to doing some professional training with you when that part of your program is up and running.Thank you. Lisa
Christine
September 21, 2005 - 7:38am
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Great! Every town should have a WW Center where women can learn these concepts in a supportive and reassuring environment.
zandria72
September 16, 2005 - 2:33pm
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>I was told by my practitioner to
>basically stop exercising. Now you try telling that to a
>personal trainer.
Ack. I hadn't heard that one. I'm in the exercise field too, and I would have a hard time if someone told me that. It would be very difficult to accept the concept of being better off without exercise! I'm nervous though...I'm toning some things down. What modifications have you made to your program?
talia1
September 16, 2005 - 5:36pm
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Hi Zandria,
What I think is hard to swallow is that this advice is not backed by any hard core science. I have discontinued any exercise using the step which is often used with step aerobica and muscle pump classes.
I no longer do heavy weight lifting having opted for lighter weights and higher repetitions. I do the treadmill on a lower speed for a longer period of time concentrating on the posture as Christine reccomends. I do aerobics without the jumping and jarring movement and try to concentrate on larger more fluid movement. I even do the kegels as I do some of my movement. I also have become much more aware of my breath trying not to hold it. Unfortunately, many people do hold their breath when they are exercising. Staying away from exercises that increase abdominal pressure like squatting with heavy weights, some types of lunges , some pilates exercises etc. I have mixed feelings about the pilates classes because many pilates classes although concentrating on the core would also seem to increase abdominal pressure. I do like the yoga classes because breathing is a strong component and the exercise medium itself has been tauted by many as good for pelvic health. However, I think one still has to be aware that some yoga exercises are not good and may put undo strain on the pelvic area. Again I think telling patients to obstain from exercise is a grave mistake because the benefit for muscle strength and their supporting ligaments would atrophy if it were not for exercise. Not exercising would only cause a downward spiral in the overall health of women. The benefit of exercise as many of us know already is one of the keys to longevity. Our tendons and ligaments stiffen as part of the aging process if it were not for exercise which keeps us "Pliable". I think modification is the key. I could go on and on but I don't want to become boring. I am just happy we can all share this experience thanks to Christine and all the women who have come forward. I hope some of this helps. Thanks, Lisa
granolamom
September 17, 2005 - 6:19pm
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Hi Talia
ITA with all the points you made in your post. I'm a pysical therapist (not practicing right now) and I shudder when I think about all of the exercise programs I promoted. I hope I haven't done too much damage. I think the biggest problems are as you mention holding one's breath and the other would be isolated muscles that were never designed to contract in an isolated, linear way (ie weight lifting).
I have stopped most of my exercising, with the exception of my walking program and the exercises described in Christine's book. Once I have a better understanding of my body I plan to add some more, not sure what though.
by the way, I love your name. It was in the top 5 girls names when I was pg with my son.
talia1
September 19, 2005 - 11:56am
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Hi Granolamom,
I also wonder what I have done to some of my clients in the past, what is important is we become educated and move on. I still want to encourage yo to use lighter weights using slow, fluid movements. Weight training plays a bigg role in weight loss and keeping the metabolism going. I also think that we can prevent chronic overuse of our joints by varying our workouts. I think it is important to incorporate weights, stretching and cardio into our work outs.
I have also started using Black Cohosh in the form of a tincture, it is known to be good for prolapse and has a fairly good safety record. The Ntional Institute of Health has a study underway and the results are very promising. Studies have only gone for 6 months so they can't reccomend it for longer use. We have to remember that supplements aren't currently regulated as a drug so you can't really expect a total endorsement from many practitioners. As Christine states you have to do your homework and sift through the Data. Also, the study being done is for menopausal symptoms such as hot flashes, vaginal dryness, mood swings, etc. I have noticed an improvement in my prolapse since starting it three weeks ago. It may take up to six weeks to see improvement. I will keep you updated on my progress.
granolamom
September 19, 2005 - 4:06pm
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regarding weight lifting, I am not convinced that linear movements are the best way to go. Are you familiar with PNF (proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation)? Its an old protocol of exercises that were developed to help people who had suffered strokes regain muscle control. the movements are all done in diagonals, incorporating head and trunk movement with the movement of the extremity. I think this is a more natural and safe way to move. I'm planning to read up on it again (been a long time) when I'm ready to hit the weights.
do keep us posted with your progress. I am always interested in herbal supplements.