New here 12wks pp

hi there and welcome
my thoughts on the inner/outer thigh machine....you possibly pulled a muscle or ligament, which caused the pain and probably did a job on your pelvic position causing the temporary (will say it again, temporary) setback of your prolapse.
I hate gym equipment. (just my bias, not nec. the views of this site, lol)
you can recover from this incident. I recommend that you read the faqs here if you havent already, and start reading up on the posture. kegels dont really help prolapse, its all about posture.
agree to stop with the kegels right now, agree that its best to stick to walking for exercise (preferably in the WW posture!). it will get better.
and congrats on the baby

Hi Mommy2

You have just had what we call a 'temporary setback'. Yes, you will get over it. Temporary setbacks are a feature of managing POP without surgical intervention. We all have them occasionally. They are useful because they help us to find our limits or boundaries of safe movement, and what characterises a harmful manoeuvre.

Eventually you will reach a point where you trust your body to regain its composure, once you learn what you can do in response to a TS. In the meantime you will need to learn techniques such as nauli, firebreathing, cat and cow on all fours, and jiggling, which will help you to reposition your organs, and Wholewoman friendly exercises like those on Christine's new Yoga DVD, First Aid for Prolapse DVD, and the ballet workout in her book, Saving the Wholewoman.

You can see excerpts of Christine's videos on Christine's Youtube channel, Wholewomaninc.

All the DVDs and book are available at the Wholewoman Store. Sorry about the ad, but they are darned good resources!

Louise

Hi, Mommy2,

Sorry to hear. Please know I am not an expert, just someone who's been on this site for the past five weeks, seeking information and reading everything over and over. lol But one picks up quite a bit of info that way. What I'm getting a feel for is that the women who are post partum make vast improvements, big strides. It seems to go very quickly but I remember reading that the pp body continues to get itself back for 2 yrs after a baby. So I would not worry that things can't keep going in the direction they want them to go just because you're feeling it's been a while since you had the baby, you know.

For you there the hope is in your being young and vibrant and healthy and that the pp body is quite good at getting itself healthy etc.

I can also speak to these set backs and how very scary they feel. At first, that is. The women here reminded me to remind myself not to panic about the fact when you get a set back you start to panic. Go over what you did but not to the point of obsession, lol (like me! lol) and try to tell yourself to breathe, and that now you are sort of hitting a reset button.

I will join you in praying for you!! Just an observation, the comments here are a bit less frequent over weekends sometimes, so do keep heart, and the responses to questions/concerns can indeed be a life saver here.

One of the ways to go ahead and start finding answers yourself here, is to go to the search bar and put in words you think might have come up in posts that you think would be helpful to you. The tricky thing about that is they use a lot of lingo here, so a newbie searching doesn't quite always know how to find what they are looking for. For example with diet, I notice that if you put the word antinflammatory in the search box you come up with a lot of great info but who would know to do that otherwise? hee hee Oh, and it would help if I had spelled it correctly just now, which I probably did not. Also, instead of putting in prolapse, as a newbie like me would have, it helps to put in POP, which is the term they use here a lot. The word setback, let's see, what else? You know if perhaps reading some uplifting things would help, someone here noted that if you put in the words "so much better" you come up with posts from women who had good results and women talking about what worked for them. Experiment with the search bar and see what you come up with.

Another good piece of advice I got here was to find someone who has symptoms similar to yours, then "track" that person. You click on their name, then "track" becomes one of the options above their name. Then you can follow their progress/advice they gave or got. Plus, Louise, Granolamom, Alemama, Doubtful, are among the women who have a lot of great advice, experience, and are particularly supportive and wise and uplifting. You can try clicking on their names and hitting "track." You can REALLY find out a lot by doing that and reading through the past posts.

I have a question for you out of my own curiosity, when you were doing the thigh machine inne/outer, were you leaning back or sitting staight up? And were you doing a little weight or doing a heavier weight than normal? Just asking, I have no answer based on whatever you say! I'm just one fairly new person passing on in new person terms some things I've picked up here. Hang in there! And keep reading. : )

IF, IF, you are in a super tough spot, I can consider mailing you mine. Then when you can buy ur own, just mail mine back to me.
csf

Hi Mommy2. The video with firebreathing is the current edition of First Aid for Prolapse. You can find out about how to do nauli by searching it on YouTube. There are quilte a few different videos to demonstrate nauli. Alemama brought nauli to Wholewoman. Nauli is one of the keywords you can find specific posts with.

Louise

Hi Mommy2

What has not been said yet by anybody is that at 12 weeks postpartum you are probably getting to the worst you will be. Postpartum pelvic organ prolapse (POP) is kinda weird. It often does not manifest for a few weeks after the birth.

We do not know why, apart from the fact that the woman is probably doing more physically, and that her baby is getting heavier. Therefore she is probably pushing the boundaries a bit more, and wanting to get on with more vigorous activities that she may have been putting off until the baby is older.

By the time you get to 6 months pp you will probably find that you are on the road to the natural recovery that happens for every woman. Your POP will get better all by itself to a certain degree, simply because all the connective tissue in your abdomen and pelvis, which has stretched and grown over the pregnancy, is gathering itself together again, and getting back to more normal dimensions.

It is important now for you to use your body in ways that support your body's recovery, and don't push your organs back and down, which may 'undo' some of the reversion. However, you have plenty of reversion time to go, as your body will not be back to almost pre-pregnant state for at least 2 years after birth, not the 6 weeks we have come to believe.

You may have set yourself back a little, but now you are more aware of the sensations going on in your pelvis and your vulva, and know what you have to do to reinforce your body's natural design, there is no reason why you should have done permanent damage, or do it in future. The human body is pretty resilient as long as we are perceptive and don't sabotage its recovery efforts.

By the way, there are quite good excerpts of Christine's videos on her Youtube channel, Wholewomaninc, if you want to check them out. You will learn a lot from them, before purchasing them for yourself.

I would encourage you to purchase the DVDs and books from the Wholewoman Store, because it is a way we can all give back something to Wholewoman, after receiving the help that we have all received in the past. Buying orginal products is a very good investment in your wellbeing, rather than seeing it as a cost.

Some of us have been regulars on the Forums for many years, while others are very new, so you need to be a bit careful whose advice you follow. It is really best to use the Search box for yourself, and check out individual Members to see how long they have been here, and whether you relate to the things they suggest. Alemama, Granolamom, Liv, and of course Christine, the site's owner, have been around for a long time. Kristina and Aza are also very knowledgable, though don't visit as often at the moment. The aforementioned are all Moderators, trusted by Christine to know what's what. Currently active Members such as Fab, Doubtful and Kiwigirl are also Members who are very helpful, and have quite a bit of successful experience with managing POP. You will find others as well.

Be patient. Your body has taken quite a time to grow this beloved baby of yours. It will take time for it to revert. Don't think it won't ever get better. It certainly will, and you may be surprised how well your body can compensate for its own POP, given some attention by you.

Louise

thank you, louise, for pointing out that a good number of pp women report that they feel their worst at around 12 weeks pp. I know I did! both times.
can't believe I forgot that!

so its true...you are probably at rock bottom. its all up from here!

I am so sorry you are not feeling 100 percent!

I have found that there is like one i-ching answer to everything.

Feeling this or that? - You prob need to have a b movement.
Feeling a pain? - You prob need to have a b movement.
Aching? - You prob need to have a b movement.

lol You get the picture. I bet if you take a warm shower, and have a glass of water or fresh juice - you will um, feel relieved. Just a guess but I am thinking if you're had the hardest time, and the need to go makes one uncomfortable with POP anyway - prob ur'e at the time THAT would feel the worst, too - as in simply needing to go adn that you'll feel better after.

Just a lay person's guess! I am so sorry! Praying for you! : )

For me, my misery tonight concluded with my period in big globs! lol Man. Thank goodness I didn't go to the ER just to find out I'm menstruating. ha

So this is my first night, working all night, with a period while having POP. God help me! (And my new dress!) As we venture forth into the unknown world of crazy feelings of organ movement and periods in the working world while Nicki's got a front row seat as she puts out blood. How can u get a period after dribbling blood for three weeks? Oy. Double oy.

Life is one big bunch of surprises right now.

CSF-
If I wondered about the duration and frequency of menstrual cycle, I would first of all learn what my doctor would say in case it is because of some scary thing... if it is not a scary thing then it will have to be given time weighted consideration as statistically and scientifically, periods do stop.
i am with a severe prolapse but the pessary offers relief. - my manta from Christine- pessary over surgery, posture over pessary.
I worked for over 3 yr duration with severe prolapse (If this bulge were visible to people, I would have been counselled to stay home -) I am 63 now and keep talking to soothe myself into rejecting the payed work force as the stress and strain of so much work has a negative effect on my abillity to care for my abdominal mess.

in my experience, prolapse does not cause severe or extreme pain. sometimes the prolapse itself is caused by the same thing causing the pain, but the prolapse shouldnt cause the type of pain you describe. again, I am not a dr nor capable of dispensing medical advice, and others here have also complained of pain. as always, I advise, when in severe or extreme pain, do get counsel from a health care professional.

pressure is common with prolapse, but healing should not cause pain either (sometimes people have some back pain as they learn the posture though). I still think that *probably* you pulled some muscles. remember that the ligaments in your body loosen during the end of a pg and you are only 12 weeks pp. I dont know at what point relaxin is all gone and the ligaments are back to normal, but its entirely possible that when straining against a machine that stresses the muscles along the pubic symphysis, you hurt yourself. rest up and stay away from that machine!

So your pubic bone pain is gone and you have pain inside your vagina? Is it any better today? Have you been to the dr yet?

Have you had a feel around? Can you feel your cervix?

Could it be a pinched nerve?