Good Grief...

Then their mission was accomplished. Post-hysterectomy vaginal vault prolapse is a horrendous problem for which additional radical surgery is the only solution, but never a guarantee.

At least they don't advocate hysterectomy.

No one can tell you how your body will respond to another pregnancy or how your prolapse will be affected. There are many factors that come into play and one is how the delivery is "managed." A bad birthing position and forced pushing can compromise prolapse. I also believe that not taking time to rest during the early weeks of post-partum can also compromise prolapse.

I no longer have a fear of pregnancy and birth since haivng my third. My story is in one of the forum's under Ty's Birthstory. I do not believe that my prolapse will be compromised because my birthing attendants believe in the ability of the body to birth and they leave me alone to do it.

I also am not afraid because a single event of pregnancy and birth is short in duration; the real factor is whether or not the body is properly nourished and held in the proper posture.

Those pictures only say one thing loud and clear--
DO NOT HAVE a HYSTERECTOMY TO "CURE" Prolapse unless you want further prolapse.

I really wish those two links in this thread would be deleted. We do not need the negative energy or the fear those sites promote. We have no reason to be afraid if we choose to avoid the surgeon's knife.

Yes prolapse in the beginning is disconcerting; terrifying; especially when coupled with websites that promote a prognosis that is horrifying (the most extreme and horrific cases are in those pictures) and websites that are owned by doctors who can see no other solution than the failed methods they have used for decades (centuries?).

The question becomes is some degree of prolapse actually a normal part of the female body after birth? A change not to be feared any more than the stretch marks? That's what I have done. Yes the rectocele at times is inconvient, but if I take care of myself nutritionally it is a lot less of a bother and unnoticeable. I have lived with this new body for 3 and a half years now. I have no fears and most of the time I do not even think about it. If I stay this way for the rest of my life, I will be content.

I have great suspicisions and perhaps I'm a little into conspiracy, but I have a suspicion that many in the medical community buy into the theory of overpopulation and to create fear in child-bearing women is a way to curb the number of children each has. I think this because after each pregnancy doctors were just itching to inject me with depro-provera (sp?). Even without having done any research my instincts said to RUN from that. Anything that would make me infertile for months with one injection had to be bad. Unfortunately, I have a 17-yr-old student who took it and is now having a problems from it. I also have a 35 year old friend who took it about four years ago for 2 or 3 injections and still has no fertility. I'm sorry if my view seems radical, but what a way to curb the population than put up pics of women with their pelvic organs hanging out or to recommend that they have their uterus removed as a "cure" for a mild problem of the organs being a little lower than normal A problem that is not life threatening and for most has no symptoms or very mild symptoms. At the very least this fear will up their clientel for surgeries or create a systematic, predictable work schedule for OB's when they convince women that c/s is the way to prevent prolapse (NOT!). Or maybe they are benign and really think this is helping their patients.

Okay, I wrote a book. :) Sorry so long, but I really do not think we should be afraid, but to embrace.

Done. :-)

Thank you, Christine. :)

Dear Sue,

You are right. You just don't know that we've had at least one (I think two) huge blow-outs with those people because THEY censored US and would not let anyone utter anything about WW on their forum. To make sure none of their readers found anything pertaining to this work, they even went to the extreme of deleting the word "whole" from their entire archives!!! Tragically poetic I might add. This our member Jane discovered and there are many of us who had to deal with the entire ordeal. I think the general feeling now is to avoid their negative energy, their denial, and their ignorance as much as possible.

:-)Christine

Hey, I didn't even get to see the pictures.....gee whiz....and now I am very curious.....I say put the link up again, we're not into censorship here....and we're all gutsy smart girls....obviously, or we wouldn't be here....

Love you all, S-Joy

P.S. I am perhaps coming up on two years of working Christine's posture program and EVERYTHING is stabelized. I am very comfortable, often totally forget I even have prolapse. I lift heavy stuff with no problems. As I have written many times before, the posture not only works on my body, but it has helped to lift my spirits, expand my heart, and open my mind....It's true....So,
"onward and upward" ! .....

Hi Sue,

It takes awhile to figure out exactly 'how' and 'what' you do to get the right posture....but you do finally get it. Keep experimenting. I would say "yes" the curve in the lower back is good. I oft had to envision things before I could actully apply them. One good concept for me is to think of being a four-legged animal, let's say a dog,....on four legs the pelvic floor is tilted in a postion so that nothing can fall out (down)...the organs sit securely in a little pouch 'hanging' under the belly of the 'dog'....obviously, if you stood the dog up, her organs would have much more of an opportunity to slip downward and out...Thus, now I walk and stand and do what I do always very consious of whether I am postioning my body 'similar' to four legs i.e. my belly hanging gentle out and 'over'my pubic bones and rear end pushed up and out. My butt muscles have become stronger and tighter in this positon and when I first started doing this I felt very much like 'Beounce'(you know the darling singer with the protruding behind?)which I think is also part of 'why' I feel my womanly power and postive engergies surging through my being....Gosh, this probably makes no sense at all...but I hope I have given you or any else reading, something useful. ....

Well, as to the 'gory' photo's I guess I really don't need to see them, I was really more concerned with the censorship thing....

Love to Everyone, S-Joy Bliss

Sue,
I didn't really think of it as censorship. As far as the pics are concerned really all one has to do is put in uterine prolapse and click on pictures in yahoo! and you can have all you want. :) It was moreso the second site reference that I felt should be removed. Some of them lurk here and Christine adequately described the post above. I'm sorry if you felt censored or offended. That was not my intent. So many women come to this site feeling so devestated at their diagnosis. This site is the haven; it's the only place I could find where there was actually hope. Every place else was horrific pictures, grim prognoses, surgery, and a hampered, handicapped lifestyle. I guess I just feel protective over that. I am certainly glad that those pics worked to move you away from surgery; unfortunately, when I first discovered I had prolapsed Christine's site was not up and running yet, and those pics added to my desperation and despair. But again, I wasn't so concerned with the pic site as I was the other link as I think we have all had enough of that conflict. :) Peace is a wonderful thing and that is what this site has done for me. I am so glad you are here and that we are all walking this walk together so that future generations may be spared. I am certainly going to train my daguhters once they hit adolescence how important posture is (right now, they are anatomically already walking in it). Blessings and peace,