When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
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orangewoman
July 13, 2011 - 6:22pm
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cervix changes, uterus changes, energy changes
Hi,
I am an art educator and artist and decided to run a camp out of my studio this summer. Lots of work. This week despite acupuncture, my uterus is very low. My cervix is at the vaginal opening but it is puffy on the side close to the opening. Almost like the pointed part of a heart shape but not pointy. This is very worrisome! Anyone able to offer some insight into this sense of 1. not round shape and 2. Puffy or swollen-ness?
I have a cystoceale which is generally managed. My uterus used to drop around the time I would have ovulated. I have not had my period or a sense of cycle in quite a few month and have been getting acupuncture intensely (x 2 per/wk) for about 4 months which has kept my uterus and cervix very high.
Thanks,
Orangewoman
Christine
July 13, 2011 - 8:56pm
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cervix, etc.
Hi Orangewoman,
I gather you are menopausal. You probably have absolutely nothing to worry about regarding the shape of your cervix, as the uterus/cervix become shrunken, misshapen, and very fibrous at the close of the reproductive years. Mine is quite pointy and knobby at this stage. Good-bye nice, round, pink donut!
I am not surprised that your primary mode of prolapse reversal, acupuncture, is no longer enough. Prolapse is a structural problem and the surrounding musculoskeletal structure must be addressed to affect your symptoms. Change your posture, change your prolapse.
Christine
louiseds
July 14, 2011 - 12:09am
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funny cervix
Hi Orangewoman
Ah yes, the perimenopausal cervix! Search 'Michael Jackson' to find out about the last conversation we had on this a couple of years ago.
Mine is still a bit like the now late and great Michael Jackson's nose, but I have difficulty reaching it these days. It did go through a stage of being a heart-shaped when it was down close to the introitus. Now it is higher it seems to almost blend into the vaginal walls, way up high. I just had a look for it, lying on my back, and was surprised to find it coming out of the back wall again, so I left my finger in there and turned over on to hands and knees to feel what would hlappen. (Insert strange visuals here.) My poor finger nearly got sucked off my hand as my uterus and bladder fell forward again. Alas, the cervix was too far in, in this position, for me to feel where it was coming out of.
I have to agree with Christine that POP is a structural problem that acupuncture can only fix if it renews your ability to maintain WW posture. Now the acupuncture is not working as well there may be other things at work that are preventing you from maintaining WW posture.
I am wondering what made you go for acupuncture in the first place?
All sorts of strange things happen in the female body during that last hurrah of the menstrual cycle. The body does all sorts of strange things to try and ovulate, and to build endometrium and to shed it. But it is a convoluted hormonal process that can have strange effects when a part of it goes awry. With any luck, when you finish menstruation you might get the same sort of hormonal calmness and equilibrium that I have most of the time, and your cervix will stabilise.
Your 'lots of work' comment may explain why your uterus is having a hard time staying up. I presume you mean lifting and carrying cumbersome and bulky stuff for your camp. This is the type of thing that sometimes trips me up, particularly if I am working to a timetable or am in a hurry, or working intensely with other people, and am more mindful of their challenges and needs than I am of my own.
I think the only way around it is to be more mindful of the way I use my own body, and to slow down and do *all* lifting and carrying very slowly and deliberately, and with plenty of room around me, so I can use the space and my body in a way that I need to, in order to keep my pelvic organs where they belong. I also try and use mechanical aids as much as possible. If I stuff up, I know that it will be OK again in a day or two.
Hope this helps.
Louise
Oceanblue
July 14, 2011 - 5:38am
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Skeps?
Here is a website with some awesome photos showing various skeps for the beautiful busy bees, that are more natural in shape and are also more lighter in weight for all :)
http://www.martinatnewton.com/page2.htm
Yes, I love unpasteurized honey!
Oceanblue
Christine
July 14, 2011 - 8:38am
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bees
I just *love* all this talk about bees. I, too, will be a beekeeper someday. Honey
and milk are the only true foods in the world. Meaning, they are the only substances whose sole purpose is food. Honey is food from the Gods! We make mead every fall, which we consider one of our sacred foods.
Thanks, Oceanblue! ♥
csf
July 14, 2011 - 1:28pm
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Change the posture, change the prolapse
I would like to interject here.
I had made a long list of things that I felt either helped, fixed or at least didn't hurt me in going from desperately miserable with POP, to having my uterus go back into place and feeling fabulous. I did it because I remember trying to find out what people did and didn't do - and because I remember the desperate worry, all consuming fear of doing anything that would make the POP WORSE!
But I would like to clarify: I feel that clearly, clearly if I were NOT to stand in posture, the POP would reappear. Do I know that for sure? No, but I would be willing to bet everything I have on it. To me there is a very, very obvious connection. I think there are many other things you can do to help, fix, that are absolutely key. Whether they enhance or are a turning point or a tipping point toward healing, I don't know. But I feel certain that if I were to slouch all day and wear tight jeans it would return. Just wanted to be clear on that, especially for newbies. I did not find the posture hard. I had parts of it that took a while to fine tune.
But basically I think of it as pulling up two suspenders. I mentally think of myself as having two suspenders that run up the front of me. And I picture myself pulling my SELF UP right under my breasts but let's say below and ALMOST between. It's almost the same as picturing showing off your breasts. But I find if I concentrate on the thought of right under there, I get a real tight, taut feeling of my lower abdomen being picked UP. It's Christine's posture. I just have a slightly different way of describing it to myself so I get that real lift that in turn naturally allows that curve of ur lower back and kind of lets ur abdomen relax.
Oh, I thought of one more thing I do - that I never heard anyone else mention. You can try it, Christine and see maybe what you think? One day when thinking hmmm is my crotch kind of LOWER??? lol I mean visibly and so I can sense it, felt to me like wow, his is all lower. So once in a while, meaning like once a week or so it would occur to me to (wow this is going to be hard to describe!!) put my hand along the bottom of my crotch, ouside myself or even outside my clothing and LIFT UP. It felt clearly as if I'd just gotten a crotch lift (as in face lift!! lol) Suddenly everything felt raised. I thought it would all sag again, but it didn't. Maybe that sounds nuts but it really felt like it helped me. I just sort of lifted the whole thing (while standing upright) with my open palm and my fingers extended.
But of course, I remain a believer that God did it. lol And these were just some of the ways he did it. Again, thank you, Christine and everyone. Not a day goes by that I don't think, "thank you, thank you, thank you."
csf
louiseds
July 14, 2011 - 7:53pm
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How?
Hey CSF
You must have really long arms, which some people do. When I do that crotch thingy I find I have to either slouch or twist quite a bit. However, for those of you blessed with long arms (or a short body), go for it if it helps. It may be just a mental(?) thing, a bit like crossing yourself, or maybe a physical affirmation?
csf
July 15, 2011 - 1:25pm
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Definitely could be all in my head : )
I think it definitely could be a mental thing. But dang, the sensation, imaginary or not, is that with a quick, firm lift upward with an open hand - and that whole area seems slightly higher. So even if it's in my head, I feel better. hahaha. I was really embarrassed to write it, but thought, shoot maybe it'll trigger another idea about something. (I do lean over to do it, I'd say the palm of my hand (close to the wrist I mean, the end of my palm/start of wrist) is close to the mons area but really behind or below it. With fingers closer to the back of me, if that makes sense.
I must admit I have a little, little bit of guilt that I got better - because I feel compassion for anyone in this very, very, very challenging situation.... As for me, I had another day of being grateful. That journey into POP was so mind bogglingly stressful. I hope I retain the new feeling of gratitude, as well as the humbled feeling, forever. How awful it was - and how good it all is now. I don't feel deserving but I sure do feel gratitude!
Mishek
July 16, 2011 - 12:06am
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Enjoy your freedom
Hi csf, i know what you mean as i used to do that instinctively every time i felt the loose feeling in the v, but now i don't have it any more thanks to the posture.
I've been able to get my organs up and comfortable. the only issue now is my constipation. I was doing so well and having a bm every day for 44 days and in the last few days that bowel problem has come back, i have a feeling that it's connected to food so as from today - no more wheat i think that i could possibly have had to much wheat without a break and maybe once i get over this hurdle i can have less of it. I'm only guessing that it's probably the wheat - i hope that's all it is. I am doing a lot of stretching just like you do in swimming and it works so fast almost immediately. I am almost certain that it was the swimming that did it for you. Enjoy your freedom we all deserve it.
Everything happens for a reason so we need to think '' what have i learned from this stressful pop journey''? You just listed all that you have learned, well done:)
chickaboom
July 16, 2011 - 7:32pm
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holy honey
"I just *love* all this talk about bees. I, too, will be a beekeeper someday. Honey and milk are the only true foods in the world. Meaning, they are the only substances whose sole purpose is food. Honey is food from the Gods!"
There;s a chapter in the Koran called, guess what, "The Bees" :
And your Lord inspired to the bee, "Take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct.
Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you]." There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people.
orangewoman
July 18, 2011 - 12:04am
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Funny cervix~ and singing praises to acupuncture as well as WW
Hello Christine and Louise,
First of all thank you for your replies, I feel more at ease and "normal".
I do however want to clarify that acupuncture can be immensely helpful energetically. I have edited Acupuncture videos for the past 16 years and am very familiar with the subtle changes acupuncture can bring about regarding many dis-eases. I have found that it augments any physical/structural corrections I have been practicing including Whole Woman posture and exercise routine, as it addresses another aspect of the whole person--energetics. I believe that all of the various approaches we take to our health and well being work in a synergistic manner.
I am a 53 year old mom of an 11 yr old boy who functions more energetically than most 35 year-olds (I know this because I have been collaborating with several on art projects). I began weekly tx's with an Acupuncturist who specializes in Gynecological issues about 6 months ago and was able to travel to Israel and live on a Mediteranean late night schedule for two weeks, produce and install 2 major art works--working almost constantly and up till 2 and 3 am for about 2 weeks, then engage in a variety of end of school year activities host a party and a produce banners and such for a parade and finally administer and operate a camp for 10-18 6-13 year-olds 4 days a week 5 hours a day now going into week 5. It makes me tired to just think about all I have been doing since April.
From the beginning of April until end June--amidst very intense activity and energy output I had a high uterus. In addition to posture and exercise and of course a great diet, the Acupuncture was a big contributor in keeping me strong and I did not experience any descent until this past week. To me this is very significant (and unheard of prior). Even with schlepping of trip, late nights and relentless activity--not to mention leading art activities and feeding about 14 kids 4 days a week. No I dont carry much heavy stuff-for that I have an assistant who is strong and aware of my physical limitation. I think I'm burnt out... Exhausted....
Acupuncture is a very different paradigm than WW or traditional medicine. Last time I was there, my Dr. tried to address the heat/fire rising and improve my sleep by pulling that energy down to my toes--circulation... My uterus was fine-high.. Unfortunately, I guess I need that fire to keep it up-- Fire breathing anyone??? -- Because I was/am quite depleted energetically, and very sensitive to acupuncture, I lost some of what we had gained and hope to retrieve it soon. But rest --or lack thereof--and significant depletion of energy is a significant contributor.
I must stress that I have always experienced a higher uterus when I am not overworked or tired and a lower one when I am. Energetics... I also think that there is an emotional aspect to all of this--which I will also say posture reflects. That is: when we feel well about/with ourselves and whole, we tend to be able to hold a more healthy posture, the WW posture is very proud.
So for me, my POP has needed to be addressed on many levels and some have been more significant at various times than others.... On a personal level, I find teaching to be exhausting, rewarding, and yet very under-appreciated and I feel that this can effect one's (my) posture inside and out as well as the smooth flow of energy in the body. All this beyond and complimentary to addressing the structure........
Could the shift also be a matter of hormones? Possibly. But I have not been so exhausted in a long long time. This has been quite a little marathon. And yet the kids at camp are doing awesome work and my own work for the exhibition is some of the best I have done yet. Still, there is that feeling of under appreciation when dealing with/in education...
Anyhow, I dont want to argue the point, just to make a long foot note that Acupuncture can be very beneficial to hormone balancing, hot flashes and overall flow of energy and circulation of energy through the body, strengthening energy. This can have other benefits, including assisting with POP and augmenting other aspects of lifestyles we adopt/change/practice.... Life is a holistic journey with many aspects, levels and facets...
Thank you again for your response and for all that WW offers. I really appreciate Christine and your as well as others wisdom, the WW DVD, book and all that the WW village offers. As one who has practiced yoga daily, I am very excited about the yoga DVD's.
O
louiseds
July 18, 2011 - 4:57am
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Wow!
It is great to hear that you are using acupuncture at this level of sophistication, rather than at a purely physical 'western' level. Prolapse is more of a whole person thing than we think. I find this believable. Hope we hear more from you.
You certainly are using a lot of energy! You gotta get it back somehow. Best wishes for the camps.
Louise
Christine
July 18, 2011 - 10:49am
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acupuncture
I agree that acupuncture is a wonderful auxiliary treatment for all women and may even be enough for the woman who has a sound-enough pelvic organ support system. But for the woman whose spine and pelvis are so misshapen that her organs are tipping out the back, she needs more than energy medicine can provide.
Moxibustion is another amazing treatment that has helped my adrenal health so much! It's counter-intuitive to Westerners that smudge (smoke) placed over the skin could impact organ function, but it indeed does.
Christine
Christine
July 18, 2011 - 10:53am
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bees
Yes, bees were revered the world over as keepers of eternal life and health.
I think our only hope of survival on planet earth is to remember, that is, take part in and be fully conscious of these sorts of timeless, sacred activities.
Bees forever!