When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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Remember, the forum is here for two reasons. First, to get your questions answered by other women who have knowledge and experience to share. Second, it is the place to share your results and successes. Your stories will help other women learn that Whole Woman is what they need.
Whether you’re an old friend or a new acquaintance, welcome! The Whole Woman forum is a place where you can make a difference in your own life and the lives of thousands of women around the world!
Best wishes,
Christine Kent
Founder
Whole Woman
alemama
November 8, 2011 - 9:55pm
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Hey Trumper
Yes women do have this type of pain and you can search the topic by using the search engine on the top left-
is it from the friction and rubbing because your cervix is not fully inside? But as a rule, anytime you have pain, it is best to see a doctor to rule out sickness as a cause.
Feel better!
(if it's from friction we can help with suggestions)
wholewomanUK
November 9, 2011 - 3:35am
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associated pain with uterine prolapse
Hi trumper1,
I have experienced various types of pain which I think are directly related to uterine prolapse. (I have been told by a couple of doctors that this is not the case - however I disagree). I have experienced pains down my inner thighs and some sciatica down the left leg in particular and a dull kind of aching internally including the cervical area. It sounds as if my symptoms might have been similar but different to yours. My feeling is that it's not surprising if there's discomfort or pain in that area, seeing as the cervix and uterus are displaced enough to cause symptoms.
I feel as if my cervix is being pulled down and there is associated achiness/dull pain in and around that specific area. It's not excruciating but it is uncomfortable and not nice and I definately want to lie down or do something to make it better.
If the cervix is low down or protruding from the vaginal passage then it would also make sense if that caused further pain in that way or from friction. Whatever's happening it sounds painful and uncomfortable.
The good news is that My experience is that from being off sick for and in bed a lot because of the symptoms and not wanting to make things worse, I am now living a happier, healthier and more fulfilled life than before. I find I do have to be careful, around lifting, saying no to certain jobs, living the WW posture, practicing the WW dvd practices regularly, walking daily at least a little walk and swimming (breast stroke) on a weekly basis... Change the posture, change the prolpase is 1 of Christine's mottos.
I highly recommend Christine's book and dvds. They're well worth the investment to better long lasting health.
Good luck and all the best,
wholewomanuk
kmscott66
December 19, 2011 - 10:04pm
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prolapse pain
I've lessened the pain and pressure by making staircase cushions to sit on. I layered (like stairs) 3 pieces of foam.... 18"x12", 18"x8", 18"x 4". I slipped the stack into a pillow case and folded the material over and stitched it . I sit with the higher part at the back of the chair seat. This helps me lean forward which has helped with the pain and pressure whereever I sit at home or work. I've found most chairs lean back which aggravates my prolapse. Has anyone experienced this?
Surviving60
December 20, 2011 - 8:42am
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Makes sense
Yes KM, it does make sense because any chair that causes you to lean back is going to put your body at the obtuse angle that stresses pelvic organs. Some people feel it more than others, and need to remember to be careful, because their immediate symptoms may not be be reminding them not to sit that way. I like your cushion idea.
Heavenlyflower
December 20, 2011 - 1:21pm
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It is wonderful to be back!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Christine and everyone else. I lost contact when the site had to be rebuilt, my prolaspe is pretty much the same.
I was interested in buying the sponges for prolaspe, but I do have a few questions I was wondering if the sponges fall out while you're having a bowel movement? my problem is when I wipe myself I guess the paper rubs and I see blood on the paper and on my pad that I wear so I want to stop the blood so I thought of the Sponges,can anyone help me.
Thank you and Aloha
Heavenlyflower
LoveByrd2382
December 20, 2011 - 3:48pm
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Stage 3 Cervical Prolapse and WW Posture, Postpartum
Just found this video on youtube.com with the posture and some exercises. Being as I can't purchase the book or video at this time, plus I am healing from just having a baby on Saturday, would just this video be enough to help until I can see my doctor in 6-8 weeks? Is there anything else (advice) I can do while I heal? At the moment I am feeling very helpless and discouraged, dealing with this for the first time (Was diagnosed at about 35 weeks during pregnancy) and having a newborn. Thanks. :)
Video I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvGROzIYN6w
LoveByrd2382
December 20, 2011 - 3:56pm
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Hope this does not offend, but...
Also, and I hope this does not offend anyone, but it seems to me that the WW posture of standing and sitting is very similar to how many black/African American women carry themseleves (i.e. Queen Latifah) with their chest out and bottom out too, standing high and tall, with shoulders relaxed. Am I right in this assumtion? Perhaps this is why there is a lower incidence of prolapse being found in these woman, especially when compared to cauxasian woman?
Christine
December 21, 2011 - 1:01pm
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Hi and welcome back
Hi and welcome back Heavenlyflower,
If you have moderate cystocele/rectocele, it's likely the sponge will stay in with bowel movements. A large rectocele or uterine prolapse may push it out.
Gosh, if your tissues are that fragile I don't hold out much hope the sponge wouldn't cause more bleeding and discomfort. For a sponge, the sea sponges are very soft, but from my experience they are still fairly scratchy on frail vaginal tissues. In your case I wonder if a smooth pessary ring might be a better option?
I also wonder if DHA/flax oil might be good for you to use vaginally? Just a bit poured onto your fingertips and rubbed into vagina and vulva? I find it extremely soothing.
Hope you stay in touch and let us know if you find something that helps.
Christine
Christine
December 21, 2011 - 2:57pm
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Hi and welcome, LoveByrd!
Hi and welcome, LoveByrd!
Congratulations on birthing your beautiful baby girl! Sorry to have missed your earlier posts, but I've been tearing around here and saw you received good information from our other members.
I would have to write a book to give you all the anatomical explanations, but will try to cover just a few key points.
First of all, it's important to understand that your uterus is normally positioned at the front of your body - right behind your lower abdominal wall. It's intriguing to contemplate why yours prolapsed at 35 weeks - as you said, a very rare occurrence.
While you will want to take it easy for the next few weeks, it's also important to begin to work with your body to move your uterus forward before it gets too comfortable sitting in the back passage! Believe me, I know how difficult long-standing uterine prolapse can be. I believe your doctors are probably right and that you stand a good chance of complete reversal. Heavens, we have much older women who have completely anteverted their uterus after several years of this work. But...the sooner you begin, the better.
Right now this primarily pertains to sitting posture - sitting up using the strength of your own spine while nursing your babe (maybe sit cross-legged on the floor and prop several pillows under your arm.) It's all about letting the breath move your organs forward, which they can only do when your belly is relaxed.
Lots of hands and knees positions too. A great one is getting down onto forearms with your bottom high in the air. You can do pelvic circles in this position, or pelvic rocks - breathing in when your tailbone is lifted, and breathing out when your tailbone is tucked. If any of these aggravates your postpartum bleeding, you'd better wait six or eight weeks.
If at that point your cervix is still low, we have standing firebreathing, Breath of Fire, and nauli to pull your uterus forward. There is no reason to believe it will not antevert sooner rather than later.
Anyway, I just sent one friend out the door and another is arriving in a few minutes, so have to cut this short. Please ask any other questions that come to mind.
Please try to relax, believe in your body's ability to come back from prolapse, and enjoy your precious baby!
Christine
cleo
December 23, 2011 - 1:21am
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emails
Christine, is your email wholewoman.com as i can email wholewoman.Some things are private for me.I will try.Hi surviving 60 thanks for contacting me .How are you.I emailed a card to you but i am not sure if it got there.It was on the computer i got it from.Merry Christmas again anyway.
cleo
December 23, 2011 - 1:24am
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My Card
Did you receive my postcard with a kangaroo.
Surviving60
December 23, 2011 - 6:43am
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Card
Hi Cleo, I did receive an e-card but I did not recognize the sender. Like many folks, I am really cautious about clicking on computer links. Thanks and have a Merry Christmas yourself! - Surviving
bea58te
March 27, 2012 - 7:02am
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Prolapse bulge
Hi everyone, I am new and have not found anyone discussing what they do when it all "hangs loose mother goose".
I recently have progressed to an "out of the body" situation. I would love to hear how others deal with this and will share a "quick fix" I have perfected in the last three days after trying various undergarments. This got me to a function and a whole day out feeling "normal".
I wear normal briefs with 2 pads overlapping side by side. All that is "out" is carefully put back in, holding it all place I then wear a cotton gusset g-string over the top of everything. (The lycra ones have too much give for me and dont hold the pads up enough to keep it all from falling out again).
Using the pads avoids chafing and soreness from the g-string, as does wearing ordinary panties underneath.
Hope this helps someone in their next social gathering!!
Lady Jane
March 27, 2012 - 12:00pm
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Dressing up
Hi bea58: I too have some problems with trying to deal with the feel better way to dress. I have purchased some "girdle" type underwear and find they hold my dropped stomach much better than regular panties. I also wear a pad and that gives me some confidence that all is not hanging out. By the afternoon, after having done some household chores, I usually relax for a while to try to hopefully get everything somewhat back in place. Some days are better than others, especially when I find interesting things to do and get my mind off this prolapse stuff. I really have to start the Whole Woman exercises - hoping they will help and put me in a better frame of mind. Back to dressing - it certainly is getting to be troublesome and time-consuming figuring out the most comfortable way to dress these days. Hopefully, things will get somewhat better.
Surviving60
March 27, 2012 - 2:25pm
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Posture, ladies!
Hi Lady Jane - The exercises are to reinforce the posture. The posture is what you should be trying to achieve all day long. So even if, like me, you have limited opportunities for exercise sessions, that doesn't matter. Get with the posture, keep that belly relaxed and that chest up, learn firebreathing, give yourself some quickie moves that you can do if you have 60 seconds....don't put it off!
Hi Bea - If your prolapse is moving on out, now is the time to start pulling it back in and towards the front of the body where it belongs. Have you been reading up on Christine's work? Ask some questions and you'll get the answers here. - Surviving
louiseds
April 2, 2012 - 5:55am
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Wow!
Yes, posture is the most important factor, but any external support you can use will help to keep your organs inside, where they can take their rightful place, especially in the initial stages, when the pelvic organs have lost their inherent ability to find their right spot. In is definitely closer than out!
It is great to hear about this imaginative use of pads, knickers and a g-string! I'm impressed. Hopefully, once you get your posture organised, and can start exercises like nauli, firebreathing and jiggling, your pelvic contents will begin to rotate forwards to their proper positions and your symptoms will gradually lessen.
Heavenlyflower
May 26, 2012 - 4:18pm
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Hi and welcome back
Oh my gosh I have been waiting to hear from you! just could not for the life of me figure out how to do it.
Let me first of all thank you for all your help I really can't say what stage my prolaspe is in, all I know is it is really hanging out it's at the point where when I urinate I have to press on my bladder to finish urinating otherwise I'm constantly running to the bathroom, everytime I get up from sitting or laying down I have to go to the bathroom, I constantly have to wear a pad and when I go out I do wear a Depends panty, I can hardly wait to order your program for the Ederly, so I can at least have my life back.
Now if you would if you have the time explain to me how after I post my comments do I find my replies?
Where can I find DHA/flax oil and just what does it do? and how often should I use it? and what is it for?
Thank you, Thank you,
Heavenlyflower
louiseds
May 28, 2012 - 9:59pm
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Pad
Heavenlyflower, I wonder if the pad is wicking away any vulva moisture that you might have?
Another suggestion is that urine is sterile when it comes out. If you get into firebreathing posture, ie leaning forward with pelvic organs well inside, in a semi-squat, before wiping, and just dab instead, you may get less bleeding. Does it matter if a little urine goes in your vagina? Probably not, as long as it can drain out again. I think urine has some mild lubricant qualities too. I don't think your body is going to object to your own fresh urine.