When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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Christine
November 16, 2005 - 8:48am
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Hi Ornella,
Thanks so much for sharing your story. It is our daughters and their daughters who will benefit from all we have learned, as they will understand the best ways in which to support their own anatomy. It sounds like your natural female mind led you to many good answers for your condition.
This has been a work in progress, Ornella, as our longer-time members know. I was onto the posture when I wrote STWW, but didn't have a complete understanding of the issues, nor the languaging. Something like "stick out your butt" is not quite the concept! :-)
What I've since learned from working much more intensively in my studio is that we have indeed discovered something very important that will have far-reaching affects for women's health. This knowledge needs to be communicated much more effectively, however, so I guess a replacement video is in order asap.
In response to your dance question, the movement I am promoting has the grounding quality of belly dance and the upper body quality of ballet. Much moreso than men, women are split in two with our center of gravity at the top of the sacrum as dividing line. Our bottom half (buttocks and thighs) needs to be very strong and our upper half very flexible.
In the "healing stand", the bottom of the rib cage is pulled up and in, squeezing our abdominals, while the upper back and neck are held as described. All of the descriptions I've given have been in an effort to move women into the natural curvatures of their spine. Because of the way the individual vertebrae are shaped, the spine is actually elongated when its curves are present. Everything is pulled up in this way, including the pelvic organs.
I'm not extensively familiar with belly dance, but think there are some moves I might not want to do at this point, such as leaning back while shaking my hips. I focus on exercise and movement that keeps the bladder/uterus pushed toward the front. Not that those belly dance movements are intrinsically bad, just maybe not great for the already prolapsed woman. The pelvic diaphragm co-contracts with the transverse abdominal muscles, so if the organs are being held in an optimal way, there shouldn't have to be an inordinate amount of focus on contracting the levator ani.
I love your spirit Ornella, and hope many women read your post. There is nothing we as prolapsed women cannot do (horseback riding is still in question) and I love to hear that your response was to sign up for a belly dance class.
:-)Christine
MeMyselfAndI
November 16, 2005 - 11:09am
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What are the symptoms of a cystocele and rectocele?
I am thinking of a last child - And it is the 'bulging out' that is making me scared.
I found your story amazing
I also found that overdoing the Kegels makes mine much worse - I reduced the amount and it is a bit better again...
Sue
fraele70
November 23, 2005 - 6:12am
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RE: universal prolapse - my story
Hi, I am not really sure if you are expectign a reply from me, anyway, as far as I understand, the cystocele in my case is responsible for the constant urinary retention and occasional block of the bladder during my last pregnancy. Coffe and chocolate worsened the problem. I beleieve that what I feel and unfortunately see coming out from me from time to time is the bladder. On the other hand my gino said that I has a longer than usual uterus neck, that the thing coming out is the uterus ... whereas the diagnosisi of the 3rd degree cystocele was made by another doctor after an ecography. Does anybody understand anything?
As for the rectocele, as I told you, I do not relaize I have it, only the doctor during the ecography asked if I had involuntary leak of stools and fortunately the answer is no, but should I be prepared also for this?
Don't know if this may help.
Another thing - I do not want to interfere with the intimate choice of a couple of having another child or not. Only I can tell you that we decided to risk because I could not see the point of "preserving" my uterus if I could not use it for the aim it has been designed. And my baby boy is such a bliss !
AnneH
November 23, 2005 - 10:42am
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Here is a link to an article that has some images. The cystocele looks like a pinkish reddish bulge, but the uterus has a "dimple" at the end that is the cervical os. That is probably the best way to tell what is exiting your body.
http://www.obgyn.net/urogyn/urogyn.asp?page=/urogyn/articles/miklos-vagprolapse#1
Anneh
Christine
November 23, 2005 - 1:44pm
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Hi Ornella,
The organs prolapse in different ways depending upon how internal pressures work upon individual anatomy - nuances not well understood by anyone that I've come across. It is very common for all three organs to come down together - usually cystocele and rectocele leading the way. The cells of the cervix are much stretchier than those of the body of the uterus and it is indeed possible for the cervical neck to stretch way down to the vaginal opening while the body, or fundus, remains somewhat in position.
Christine
Christine
November 23, 2005 - 1:46pm
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p.s. Incontinence of bowel and bladder should not be progressive symptoms associated with uncomplicated prolapse.
MeMyselfAndI
November 24, 2005 - 9:48am
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My Dr has never told me what type of Prolapse I have - Next time i feel it low i will definitely check for this dimple
MeMyselfAndI
November 24, 2005 - 9:52am
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OK i checked - lol
Would you call this 'dimple' like a tiny lil flap teensy weensy?>
If so then I have one of them lol
Sue
MeMyselfAndI
November 26, 2005 - 6:16am
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Is now not sure if she is right or wrong as nobody has replied...
lol
Sue
Christine
November 27, 2005 - 6:36pm
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Christine
November 27, 2005 - 6:38pm
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Here's another illustration: http://findlaw.doereport.com/generateexhibit.php?ID=2575
Also...many practitioners will let you look at your cervix through a mirror during your exam.
fraele70
November 29, 2005 - 1:17pm
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understanding our body
Dear AnneH and Christine,
many thanks for yr links. I finally took the courage to look at myself this morning and I believe that it is the uterus which I can see, only I don't understand why the diagnosis was of cystocele 3rd degree and UP 2nd, but it was made only three weeks after delivery so things may have changed (for worse, of course ...). Sorry for the bit of depression, but I was feeling better these days, and looking at "it" was somehow discouraging. I seeem to remember a post By Christine about the different stages of the women joining this forum, so, I won't despair.
Thanks to everybody. I think it is wonderful we can share these things living so far from each other.
AnneH
November 29, 2005 - 3:09pm
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I think things can change around. Maybe when the doctor looked at it, the uterus was lower; at other times, your bladder is lower. The cervix can be like a "flap" thing I suppose. After you have a child the cervix looks different than before you ever deliver a baby. Yes, it is freaky having to look at these things and figure them out.
Anneh
KatrinaCathy
December 1, 2005 - 5:06am
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Hi;
Does anyone have a notion on swimming in chlorinated pool and in a hot tub (chlorinated) with a uterine prolapse (sorta in and out)?
Cathy
KatrinaCathy
December 1, 2005 - 5:09am
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Hi: I have uterine prolapse and there's no doubt. The Os is centered in it--it is the hole the sperm goes into and the baby comes out of.
Cathy