When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
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Christine
September 22, 2012 - 1:47pm
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bring back the ventrosuspension!
Hi dear Daphne...I am so sorry to hear you struggling so. Flax oil is anti-inflammatory and what I would use in a situation such as yours.
Your cervix needs to be inside, however, and unexposed to the elements.
From everything I have been able to determine, the one and only operation that makes any sense for prolapse is ventrosuspension, or anchoring the uterus to the abdominal wall. This surgery is not without risk, however, and was abandoned many years ago. Why?? The answer has never been made clear.
Surgeons talk about the round ligaments of the uterus (the structures that are embedded in your lower abdominal wall and pull your uterus forward) as having “no supportive value”. However, when you look into the other tissues used for suspensions, the uterosacral ligaments, it becomes apparent that of the two - the rope-like round ligaments make much more sense. When you hear of cases where, upon autopsy, the uterus that was suspended to the front decades ago is still strongly in place - suggesting the operation was a true success - it gives pause for reflexion. Was the surgery abandoned because of problems and high failure rates, or because it was actually the only successful one? This surgery could be accomplished through small incisions in the abdominal wall - how astonishing!
Hope you can have a productive talk with your physician.
Christine
Daphne
September 23, 2012 - 9:10am
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suspension
Hi Christie,
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I have some Flax oil so have just gone and put some on, I was surprised at how oily it was so hope it will give some relief after a while. As you may remember my uterus is always outside my vagina when standing and I wonder, do you think I will ever be able to get it back inside without an operation? I am trying to follow your teachings and don't really want an operation anyway. I am so afraid of being worse off than I am now. I wish I had found you years ago before my problem got so bad.
I thought the idea of writing to someone famous to get the word out more quickly was such a good idea, how about the First Lady, she seems like a good choice as she seems to like to help causes that are good for women. Just a thought. We are so fortunate to have you and it would be good if more people new about you. I always tell people about you when ever I get the opportunity, Drs., nurses, my children and Grandchildren, neighbours etc. So many people you have helped on your journey to bring this to the attention of woman.
Very Best of Wishes, Daphne.
Christine
September 23, 2012 - 6:13pm
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operation
Hi Daphne,
You know, I like to believe every woman who has not had surgery can get enough result by pulling her organs forward with this work to live well throughout her life. You have tried so hard and I think we have to consider that perhaps your surgery has made it too difficult for your uterus to move back to the abdominal wall. If you could just get it to stay inside your labia, but I think you've given it your best go. Have a good chat with your doctor and see what other ideas he/she may have.
Yes...I have thought of writing the First Lady too!
Hugs from Christine
Daphne
September 24, 2012 - 9:49am
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Drs.
Hi again Christine,
Thank you again for your reply. My operation was a Birch like you had but perhaps different surgeons still do them a bit different but still call it a Birch op. I have tried a lot to keep the Uterus inside but it seems so heavy that it just slips right down and out. I have used the Flax oil and the redness has gone so I appreciate that information. I was wondering whether to send for one of those Fam brace garments but not sure if they would be strong enough to keep things in and I wonder about the fact that they do fit around the waist so I can only think that they would pull down on the stomach.
My family Dr. only gives appointments of 15 mins. so it isn't enough time to say too much to her. I have mentioned about my prolapse in the past and I think from what I felt from the conversation that she would tell me to go for an op. I will still keep waiting for The Gyn. appointment in London and see if she can help, a family member has gone to her for treatment and said that she is very compassionate and caring, hopefully I won't have to wait too much longer as I have already been waiting all summer. I find my life just slipping away as I seem to be more and more confined to the house.
Thank you again for your time.
Best Wishes Daphne.
Sammy
September 24, 2012 - 12:36pm
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One of the reasons i gave in
One of the reasons i gave in and had a supra cervical hyst and sacrocolpopexy(mesh from inner vagina to sacral ligaments) was slight redning and inflammation which I thought to be poison ivy not sure After 2 years, my cervix without the rest of the uterus is hanging out again BUT what I seem to find comfort with is a donut pessary. It is faily large for me but some can wear smaller ones. I have become quite comfortable with it after over a year of use. i remove and clean daily and sleep without it. As trouble go in this world it is not so much as long as I have bath facilities. I am getting more (such a slow picker up of this concept) belief in the posture with bladder and intestines in a secure position.
The surgery i had has not pleased me and if i can advise you it would be to try the pessary. i do use .5 gms premarin (some use a vagifem suppository) to help keep moist in vagina. Unfortunatley the mesh used in the surgery was laproscopically removed- it was a mess and a wee bit still remains,
the pessay keeps my bowels and bladder from feelling too heavy and also I can empty my bladder and bowels better with it in. The doctor that told me the pessary would not work for me was very unfair in not supporting at least an effort at the pessary usage. I will be 65 shortly. Good luck with this...
Christine
September 25, 2012 - 6:51am
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supporter
Daphne...the V2 supporter is the only one I think makes any sense for prolapse. If you google it, several sites will come up that you can order from. It is a somewhat stiff, polyester garment that is worn over your underpants. You can snug it up so that it puts pressure on your perineum and many women love the feeling of extra security.
I'm glad you brought this up and I'm astonished that we haven't talked about it before now.
Have you tried gently pushing your cervix all the way forward, firebreathing afterward, and then trying to maintain the posture (sitting or standing) for as long after that as possible? There is another little trick for women recovering from bladder neck suspension, but I hesitate to offer it because I don't want any injuries. When my cervix is particularly low, I push it all the way forward and hold it there while bearing down. This allows the vaginal walls to puff into the vaginal space and when I let go, "Nature's pessary" holds the uterus forward. If only it would stay, but the heavy uterus with its stretched out round ligaments will win the battle for first place sooner or later.
Thanks for the pessary info, Sammy. The problem with primary uterine prolapse - which is actually more rare than cystocele-rectocele, and the surgically-induced uterine plug more rare than that - is that the powerful uterus-cervix comes straight back like a piston and pushes anything in there out. I have found cotton balls soaked in omega 3 oil to be very helpful in propping the uterus forward, but they get lodged in the back corners, which are very deep, and become difficult to remove.
Christine
Daphne
September 25, 2012 - 8:46am
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re Sammy
Hi Sammy,
Thank you for telling me about your experiences. I am pleased for you that you have found relief in the Donut. I did have one of those fitted as well as many others while in the Gyn. office last year but they all made me urinate non stop so they had to be taken out again. I just feel that nothing works for me whatever I try. Advance Happy Birthday to you.
Daphne
Daphne
September 25, 2012 - 9:13am
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supporter
Hi Christine,
Is the V2 and Fem brace the same garment? I do push my Uterus back lots of times during the day and I have done the Fire breathing afterwards but it doesn't usually keep it up. I haven't stood in Posture, probably afterwards, so I will try that. I am finding, now, that the part of the Uterus where my fingers go to push it back seems to be getting a bit dry, I have been putting on the Flax oil hoping it would be a moisturizer, I am not supposed to use Hormones because of my Breast cancer in 2004. I just want to find a way to keep it inside, even if not very high up. It is amazing how much this problem affects your life and drains you mentally. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just put a bandage on it and be good to go! I did Google for the Information on the Ventrosuspension, which was interesting but like you said, all operations have their risks.
Wishing you all who have found yourselves an answer, Good Luck.
Daphne
louiseds
September 28, 2012 - 11:20pm
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V2 vs Fembrace
Have a look at this site for v2 related stuff, http://www.maternitystop.com/maternity-support-garments/hip-v2-supporter...
Have a look at this site for Fembrace related stuff, http://www.maternitystop.com/maternity-support-garments/hip-v2-supporter....
I am sure you will be able to find suppliers locally once you know what you are looking at.
Louise