Calling on nauli gurus

Hi Curiosity,

Congratulations of mastering nauli! I think you have to look at older women's fascia, the stuff that envelops the organs, as much like a stretched out wool sweater. The difference is, fascia is alive and does respond to time and nutrition.

Imagine pulling the bladder up onto the pubic bones, and then keeping it there with the posture. This is the core of the work and you just have to keep at it. Firebreathing works well on all fours, but nauli seems to work best standing (bent over). Keep inching it up onto the true bony pelvic floor with nauli, and then one day, after your fascia has been sufficiently re-modeled, it will stay there!

Chrsitine

I like to come to standing by going back to firebreathing inhale position, and just raising my chest from there, to standing.

Look, I can’t give you any guaranteed time lines on this. I have had a stage three uterine prolapse for more than twenty years and then added a broken hip and further injury, and I have only found whole woman posture etc in the past two and half years or so. Under the circumstances (also taking into account my advanced age) it would seem natural to imagine that it will take me some time with remedial work for it to prove totally successful. However, I do something similar to downward dog (two slightly different poses from experiementation) and with one of them it seems natural to also do something similar to nauli and I find that the vacuum effect is extremely encouraging in that it exaggerates that desirable mobility of pelvic organs, as, I find, do also cat and cow poses when you are down on all fours.

Once standing up again the prolapse generally returns. I treat my ‘similar to nauli’ as a complete cycle of about three circles and then just cease but stay vertical and grab onto the breathing and then do another three and a further three if able. And then just stop and stand erect. I just assumed that however I ended the movement my prolapse would just go back down once I stood erect again. It is a rarity for me now for it not to. (How quickly this occurs depends upon a number of factors which I know you are well aware of and so I do not need to go into.)

I find these combined movements very promising and they have made me very optimistic because if you can experience this correction of placement of your pelvic organs vertically (or as a triangle) and then slowly raise your top of body position from the sloping down to the horizontal and then to the upright standing position as this continues to occur, given time I believe it possible to achieve and will work beautifully. For I find my slow approach is gradually and noticeably improving my prolapse. This approach includes essentially WW posture and this work and other stretching exercises that I do with my legs and I am becoming much more comfortable and am able to take long walks again and generally move without pain.

The lady demonstrating downward dog on Utube that I just viewed does not have a lumbar curve, but as she is leaning forward and my similar movement has me leaning forward, I don’t think you would be doing anything detrimental in this movement.

From my happy experience from similar movements to your downward dog and nauli, I would encourage you to pursue further your discoveries.

Best wishes, Fab

Hi Fab, good description. I too believe in doing these things very slowly at times, to give your organs time to catch up to the rest of your body. I think it is the same as turning a jar of water. Turn it slowly and the water will turn with the jar. Turn it fast and the water will stay where it is when the jar turns.

Re the lady on YouTube with no lumbar curve. If you look at a standing x-ray you will see that the spine is literally in the centre of the trunk, and the sacrum is not on the surface either. There is a thick layer of muscle outside the ribs and this extends downwards to join to the pelvis and sacrum on either side of the spinous processes (the bit of the spine we can see). There is a lot of bulky ligament and connective tissue as well, between the sacrum and the skin.

Her torso may look horizontal in downward dog but she will have a lumbar curve. It is simply buried under skin, fat, muscle and connective tissue, and not visible.

L

I asked a friend to check for me and they saw a slight lumbar curve when I bent forward in the downward dog position and my own similar position. Only slight, but it was there. Maybe, it is on account of all the WWposture. I can't see it on the youtube lady.

Interesting and helpful discussion, Fab and Louise, and I love the thing about turning the jar....... - Surviving

Yes, well about that turning jar of water. I did the experiment with the water and it does not work the way you say. Whether you turn the jar slowly or quickly the water does not move.

Those wanting to see this for yourself, (it is easier to see in a glass, less curves and more light) just fill a glass up, wait for the water to stop swirling then drop a few grains of coffee in the top. Slowly turn the glass and then quickly turn the glass (clockwise or anti clockwise, it doesn’t matter), the grains stay where they are and so does the water.

best wishes, Fab

My coffee rotated with the jar when turned very slowly, ie the water 'gripped' the glass. I then emptied it, refilled it, and waited for the turbulence to settle, then added a granule of coffee again, waited for it to dissolve, and turned it fast. The coffee stayed in one place when the jar turned. Wassup here?

L