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granolamom
December 2, 2012 - 5:12pm
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my prolapse is better
I mean that
*I no longer have any symptoms
*the bulge is smaller
*the bulge is higher up
*it doesnt get worse to the point of symptomatic when I am active
I do maintain WW posture and plan to for the rest of my life. I see no reason not to. and I feel pretty sure that its the posture that keeps my prolapse from getting worse.
I know that some women have had a more dramatic reversal than I have but that's ok. I'm real happy with my results.
many women do report prolapse varying from week to week, day to day or even within the course of a day. I think the longer you've been managing it with WW, the less variation you will have.
disclosure: I'm not really the one you wanted to hear from, I found my prolapse in the middle of my childbearing years (but not right after birth, my then-youngest was 18 mo at the time)
Kazatti
December 2, 2012 - 5:25pm
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Hi, I second granolamom, I am
Hi, I second granolamom, I am very new to prolapse and the whole woman posture, but I find that when I start to forget or slack off I start to feel bulgy and sore again.
I have never had any children, but my prolapse symptoms began very suddenly. I haven't got the the point of not having symptoms when I am active, but think this is just a matter of practice making perfect.
Surviving60
December 2, 2012 - 7:51pm
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How is my prolapse better?
Spam, I’m glad you asked this question. It’s a good one.
I have long suspected that the only women who could really eliminate their symptoms were those who started this work during their childbearing years. This is partly due to the obvious advantage of making this posture correction earlier in life, and partly due to the natural healing that happens after childbirth. I had two huge babies late in life, and I’m quite sure I felt bulgy after each birth. I took this to be a normal part of healing, a feeling that would go away, and eventually it did. I was never one to examine my lady parts in the mirror, so I wouldn’t have had anything to compare it to anyway.
Ten years later my symptoms started to creep into my life, and it was almost another ten before they became so bad that I had give them a name and go in search of a solution.
So yes, I do feel my prolapse most of the time. It will never go away, but it varies greatly from day to day and even minute to minute. I’ve learned to stay in posture without thinking about it. I firebreathe several times a day, and take long walks when I can, with the specific goal in mind of improving my symptoms. It’s always with me, which is probably why I feel so at home on this forum every day.
I don’t remember which member used to talk about being married to her prolapse. But I think that’s a great description for me. I love my prolapse because of all the other advantages and blessings it has brought into my life. I’m not always thinking about it, but when I do, there it is! It’s an ongoing relationship that I have to work at every day, but far from resenting that effort, I welcome the way that it has shined a light on my health and well-being. I no longer fear the symptoms, nor do I fear the future. I look better and I feel better and I NEVER wish for the old days. - Surviving
Spamelah
December 2, 2012 - 8:00pm
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I envy you.
I do envy you. I hope to be at peace one day.
I suppose I will learn to liken it to my experience with my son's regressive autism: it certainly isn't something I would wish on anyone but it has brought me blessings. Changed me for the better and I'm proud to be his mama. Maybe one day I'll be proud of my escaping uterus or the new shape it has given me as I adopt the WW posture?
But, right now I'm a whiny sad 47 year old woman who's feeling a bit freakish. ;)
louiseds
December 3, 2012 - 2:30am
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(((Spamelah))))
You will get there. Early days yet. It is a bit like learning a musical instrument. It is all fingers and thumbs for a start. Then you learn to play a simple piece, then embellish it as you learn new skills. You can't hurry it. Eventually, with a lot of hard work, you can play a concerto, and don't baulk when someone throws an unfamiliar piece of music in front of you.
You just look at it carefully, break it into manageable parts, learn the bits slowly, then put it all together, then refine it.
Then you start teaching others how to do it!
Louise
wholewomanUK
December 3, 2012 - 12:46pm
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getting better
Hi Spamelah,
A great question that I think probably most women on the forum has asked themselves at some point or another.
I guess the answer is going to be different for each person. There are so many variables, inc. age, children or no children, child-birth experiences, physical/mental/circumstantial expereinces etc etc.
My experience was that I was first symptomatic and diagnosed with a uterine prolapse when I was 54. Initially I was very upset, tearful, fearful and didn't know what to do. The medical and work response varied from very undersatnding and helpful to very unhelfpul and understanding. It was not until I found the WW site and forum that I felt that anyone really understood this condition and how to treat it. Since then, 1 1/2 yrs ago, I have made gradual progress and now can honestly say I feel happier and healthier than I have for years.
Better for me means:
not being symptomatic (in pain, bulging, dragging feeling, tired, ache in my bottom...)
my cervix is above my pubic bone and on a good day in absolutely correct position
I am really well so long as I follow the WW way and take care of myself (diet, evacuation, de-stress, ww posture/exercise...)
That's as good as it's got so far. If I don't do the above, my symptoms start coming back. So I reckon this is a life-style choice. It is a little annoying sometimes to have to be so damn healthy most of the time! But really optimising one's health and happiness by living healthily and adopting the WW way - is not so bad!
Good luck, xwholewomanuk
agnusdei
December 15, 2012 - 6:16pm
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Granolamom
Do you mean by no symptoms, most days you do not feel it? And how long after taking on the WW posture did you have relief from the symptoms? Mine are the bulgy, right at the front door, trying to escape prolapse, and I am struggling with my posture. I constantly have to say to myself, push out that chest, relax your belly, push out your bum.
Aging gracefully
December 15, 2012 - 7:23pm
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Agnusdie,
Agnusdie,
I am fairly new here too, and I know how frustrating it is in the beginning to get the posture correct.
I am not saying I have it down perfect or that I can hold it for a very long time, but the more I,work on it, the easier it gets.
Surviving60
December 15, 2012 - 7:15pm
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tilting hips forward?
Not sure if this is a good way to describe it, because I don't feel like I'm tilting my hips forward. It sounds confusing.
When you're starting out with this, all you really have to think about is to relax your belly, pull your chest up, and keep your shoulders down but not back. There's a little more to it than that, but those three elements are enough for your brain at the beginning. Do these things, and you won't have to think about sticking your butt out or accentuating the lumbar curve....they'll take care of themselves.
Graceful, I'm not saying you're doing it wrong, but if your explanation confuses me, it might confuse others. - Surviving
Aging gracefully
December 15, 2012 - 7:27pm
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Sorry surviving, I thought I
Sorry surviving, I thought I saw that somewhere. Should stick to more reading, myself! I deleted that part, and will remind myself where I am In the whole picture, because I know I am still learning too.
Again sorry, didn't mean to butt in or confuse.
agnusdei
December 15, 2012 - 7:38pm
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that makes it a little easier...
Thanks!
Surviving60
December 15, 2012 - 7:47pm
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Oh my! I didn't mean for you
Oh my! I didn't mean for you to edit your post. One of the best things that happens on this forum is one newbie helping another! Sometimes they come up with the best tips of all, ones that we wouldn't think of because we are so set in our ways.
Possible for someone just starting out, to interpret "tilt your hips forward" the opposite of how you meant it. That's all I was getting at. - Surviving
Aging gracefully
December 15, 2012 - 7:50pm
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It really is ok, surviving.
It really is ok, surviving. I think I just get so excited about all there is to offer here, and I have been feeling so much better, long way to go, but so much better! And, I attribute that to ladies like you!
Surviving60
December 15, 2012 - 7:57pm
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And it keeps getting better!
And it keeps getting better! The more of yourself you put into this, the more you get back. I'm so glad for you.
louiseds
December 15, 2012 - 9:54pm
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duck bum
Chest should be lifted straight up, not out, in WW posture. 'Out' *would* give you a duck bum!
Imagine a string tied to the bottom of your breast bone. Now, pull the string straight upwards. That is chest up.
Chest isolations as practised in belly dancing are a great way to increase the mobility of your upper spine and shoulders. Move your chest up and down, forward and back, side to side. Keep your shoulders down. Then learn around in circles, both ways, and figure 8s in each of these three dimensions, in both directions.
If you use a bellydance video, be aware that they will probably tell you to pull your tummy in. Just ignore that bit. I have been belly dancing for many years now, and I have proved that you don't have to pull your tummy in. WW posture (as best you can do it at this point) works just fine.
Louise
agnusdei
December 15, 2012 - 10:12pm
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Tried it!
Definitely makes a difference in the tender back! Oh so much to learn! But for now I had better get to bed! The kids don't care if mom stayed up too late, they wake early anyways!
louiseds
December 15, 2012 - 10:31pm
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Ain't it great?
... being told that surgery or 'nothing at all' is the only answer for POP (which is what most gyns seem to say).
Then a woman finds this site and its community Forums, and finds the rich world of zillions of ways in which a woman can change the way she nurtures and uses her body, and her environment, to lessen the impact of loose pelvic organs. It is like finding buried treasure!
:-) :-) :-)