What is the jiggly wiggly trick that puts it all back into place

Submitted by agnusdei on December 17, 2012 - 8:15pm
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I have tried being on my knees and elbows, bum up in the air! Not to cute I know, and then doing a little wiggle jiggle, but nothing wants to move back into place for me!! What's the secret, I need to know this, my books will not be here for some time! Thanks!

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agnusdei

December 17, 2012 - 8:26pm

By the way, went to the Dr. this morning, I do have a bladder prolapse, although he said he has seen much worse, and said a lot of ladies have not even been bothered by my symptoms. He was very nice about it though, did not suggest surgery, as he knows I would like many more kids. He said he could try a pessary, and many women who are young will use one for many years off and on as their way of dealing. He said surgery in the future is totally up to the patient, if you can handle the issue, leave it be, if not he can fix it. He said my best bet was to try some special exercise that could help, and to walk lots. I asked about posture he said he wouldn't hurt, but wouldn't fix it. Once you have a prolapse you have it, it's a matter of dealing with it then. He is from Hungary, and in my opinion not as pushy as my own family Dr. on surgery. His advice was to put it off, but if it starts to protrude past your vagina then maybe some intervention would be nice for my comfort level. At my age he said it is rare, but once women hit 40 he sees at least 5 a day with prolapse of all degrees. He will fit all with a pessary before surgery, unless they are protruding far past the vagina. He said never to do a surgery if you even considered to have another child. So I have a mild cystocele, which in his opinion wasn't that bad, but I do have a large tear in my perinium that was not stitched up, and he said that could attribute greatly to the bulgy feeling, as if it were intact likely the issue wouldn't present so low. He didn't say not there but not noticeable. I knew going in that surgery would be mentioned, but he did not press on the idea. I just wanted to be sure I had what I thought, and since I have never paid much attention to my basement, I wasn't super sure what it was. Uterus is nice and high, and no rectocele. What was humorous was when we asked what causes it he said having babies, and then went on to say his youngest girl with this is a single, 16 year old, with full prolapse, no kids. Also he has mothers who have birthed 10 and are fine and some with 1 and aren't, then he said it all comes down to pushing. I told him the longest time I pushed was 15 minutes, ah ha he said you have genetically poor pelvic muscles, there should have been much more resistance. I know for certain if I had said 2 hours he would have said you strained those muscles for 2 hours how do you expect them to react. Too funny. All in all I feel better knowing for certain what the issue is. Mild or not, the issue is very annoying! I must work it out and have it tucked away! Can't wait to get my book and learn the wiggle jiggle!

louiseds

December 17, 2012 - 8:56pm

Hi Agnes

Well he sounds like a pretty good gyn to me. He covered everything a gyn could be expected to cover, and was very sensible about not suggesting surgery for a woman who wants to have babies. He is right. Some degree of laxity is normal when you have babies. I describe prolapse as chronic malpositioning of one or more organs. This is caused by loss of pelvic floor and fascial structure through trauma, stretching or obstetric injury, and is a problem when further injury occurs from other factors in the presence of this injury, including chronic non-supportive posture.

Our posture is what keeps our organs in positions where they are in structurally stable positions, supported on our pubic bones. An unconstipated gut allows our pelvic and abdominal organs to move around each other in response to distension in one or more of the organs. At least he accepts that improving your posture may help.

As for his sixteen year old patient, yes, it does happen. I don't know why. There are so many factors in prolapse. You have to have a perfect storm of sorts to create serious prolapse. Babies and (particularly) vaginal birth are not *the* predisposing factor, but one of many causative and aggravating factors.It is not pushing per se either. Many women push for their births and do not damage their pf muscles, though they will experience varying degrees of fascia stretching from the pregnancy and birth.

Something we don't know is whether spontaneous home births with hands off midwife and well prepared mother-to-be are less likely to result in full blown prolapse than hospital births with midwives coaching and other interventions, where the mother-to-be is not well prepared and the environment is very controlled. I think at a gross level there is only one answer to that question, because there are so many variables. There are certainly less damaged perinea in home births, but whether or not that directly translates to less prolapse later is a different question.

Genetically weak pelvic floor muscles? Wellll, I guess we are all different and some women will have fine muscles, while others will have more solid muscles. Just look at the muscles on peop;le's legs for an example of muscle variation. But I don't see it as a primary reason. Pelvic floor muscles are designed to give way during labour and birth, as the cervix is dilating. They are designed to let wee, poo and babies out, and to allow penetration of an erect penis, which also leaves shortly afterwards. ;-) They are thin and sinewy, and not designed for keeping organs up. Full stop. No creator in their right mind would put thin, sinewy muscles in a position where they have to hold up organs by themselves!

I think his comment about it not being so bad is simply a reflection of the serious prolapses he does see in his practice. He is not necessarily saying it is nothing to worry about.

What do you mean by "learn the wiggle jiggle"?

Louise

agnusdei

December 17, 2012 - 9:17pm

I am talking about the trick that you all do to put your organs back on the shelf, sort of a relief from the issue if even temporary until I learn all the tricks and the exercises. So the wiggle it back into place trick!

Yes I agree about the gyn, he was very nice. I had to have a d and c 7 years ago following a very bad hemorrhage after a very late miscarriage at 17 weeks. He was very good to deal with, and so when my midwife gave the choice to which gyn I would like I picked him as he is a little more 'old fashioned' in his work. My sister had 2 breech babes, and every doctor in town sends the ladies to him and he can magically turn the babe in your belly. That way he says you don't have to damage your body with a c-section or your bottom with a breech birth. Very helpful for the mothers, I was breech and my mother had to sit on a donut for 6 months until all her bottom healed and I had to have surgery to put my hips into joint and then a long time of casts and splints and xrays. He turned 2 of her babes, how nice to avoid the issues for the babes as well.

louiseds

December 17, 2012 - 11:09pm

How lucky you are to have such a wonderful, compassionate, skilled doctor, and to have had him in your family for so long. Sadly, where we live in rural Western Australia, doctors are hard to find. We now have a corporate medical practice which employs doctors. Many are from other countries and do not have excellent English skills. Goodness knows how they understand average Australian patients! Like all doctors, some are better than others. Some are simply wonderful. But if I don't go to the doctor for twelve months it might be a new doctor ... again ... that I see. Sadly, long gone are the days of having a doctor who has delivered most of the family's babies.

Could I email you please? My daughter had developmental hip dysplasia and had a triple osteotomy at age 16.

The jiggly wiggly thing you are talking about is probably firebreathing. You can add nauli, a yoga move, to that. You can find nauli on Youtube. It is an extension of firebreathing. It is not easy for most people to learn but many women swear by it. Firebreathing is in the book.

Louise

Daphne

December 18, 2012 - 9:10am

Hi Louiseds,
I think what Agnusdei is referring to is what you told us you do, which you called your Jiggle.
Daphne

Surviving60

December 18, 2012 - 11:05am

Yeah, I jiggle all the time. I bend over and jiggle my organs into my lower belly, several times a day. Before/after firebreathing and using the toilet, to name two.

Agnus, when you get on knees and elbows with your butt in the air, and jiggle, do your organs NOT settle into your belly? That's just gravity doing its thing, after all. - Surviving

Surviving60

December 18, 2012 - 12:06pm

Here is a description of jiggling in Louise's words:

"Bending over with slightly bent knees from the hip joints, and belly between the thighs, will help gravity to assist in moving your uterus and bladder 'up' and away from the vaginal entrance. Jiggling your knees around to assist the pelvic organs to move around and settle into new positions will also help. If you feel air entering the vagina you will know you have succeeded in moving the organs."

I've read other descriptions of jiggling, you just do it any way that works for you. - Surviving

chickaboom

December 18, 2012 - 2:34pm

I'm imagining all of us in our various corners of the world doing the jiggle-wiggle-thing lol.

Vicki3

December 18, 2012 - 3:02pm

Christine,
Thanks so much for the link to Vitamin D article. Great information.

agnusdei

December 18, 2012 - 5:15pm

Good to know, yes I will try that! That is what I wanted to know, I was gone shopping with my sister today for Christmas, walking in WW posture, which she couldn't believe! I am 6'1 and she is 6'2 and I looked taller than her today, from standing in WW! We had a pretty good day! No major issues, a lot of it is learning at the beginning to put it out of your mind, and to put into your mind to stand correct, with out thinking about your prolapse at the same time!! The more you think of your crotch the more it will bother you! So will do the pelvic rock exercise on the youtube video, the wiggle jiggle, and then to bed early! Was a good day!

agnusdei

December 18, 2012 - 6:59pm

Hello, yes you can email me, but I would rather not put it on this forum as then everyone can see it. Is there another way? Thanks!

louiseds

December 18, 2012 - 7:34pm

Thanks Agnus

Yes, I will just email Louise with her Admin hat on and set it up. I have access to all Member email addresses.

If anyone wants to email another Member, email louiseds at wholewoman dot com . I will check by email with the other person and provide each Member with the other's email address, if both agree. Get it? Personal email contact used to be an automatic function with the software, but this feature disappeared with an update and is no longer available.

Louise

Mika

December 19, 2012 - 5:01am

I was almost all set to go have surgery until the doctor told me all of the problems. Can see why woman do the surgery (figure it will help. I was in pain and the burning was horrid. The WW posture has helped that. Can't believe that woman live with this and do nothing (how can they stand the pain and burning). Thank god I found this site....The pessary did not work for me.
Thanks all

Mika

December 19, 2012 - 6:07am

How often should you do the wiggle jiggle? How often should you do the firebreathing? Is firebreathing.....breathing in and let the stomach out and and exhale pull stomach in....on the DVD it is not shown very well for me to understand. I want to make sure I am doing it right.
Thanks

Surviving60

December 19, 2012 - 7:46am

Mika, you can do these moves as much or as little as you want. Firebreathing is very well-described in Christine's book (with pictures) and also shown in the dictionary of movements on the First Aid for Prolapse DVD. It is also prominently featured in the 3rd Yoga DVD (I think it's in all the DVD's actually). It sounds like you have the breathing sequence correct, that's the important thing. - Surviving

louiseds

December 19, 2012 - 7:48am

Mika

Whole Woman exercises and manoeuvres that are recommended by WW are not like a formal physiotherapy or fitness program where you do so many sets and so many reps, every day. They are about gradual improvements in strength and flexibility on one hand and tools for getting your organs to move back into correct configuration and position in the pelvic cavity.

You can do jiggles and firebreathing and nauli whenever you feel the need to. Some people do them after emptying the bladder or bowel. Some do them first thing in the morning and/or last thing at night. Some just do them when they feel that their organs need a bit of a hitch up, eg after over-exertion, and will find a private space wherever they are, to do them. Some do one or two whenever they remember.

Louise

Mika

December 19, 2012 - 10:26am

Well I am trying to do the jiggling at least several times at work. I am new so everything needs to go up all the time (lol). Still figuring everything out.....have not read the book yet am hoping to over Christmas break. I have the whole set of DVD's just taking it easy right now.
Another question....does it matter what exercise you do....I like the yoga better than the first aid for prolapse. I have only done the first wheel...will build up to the rest.

agnusdei

December 19, 2012 - 2:57pm

Just got an email that my book and the dvd's are in the mail today! So being as it is Christmas, I should receive them mid January! At least I know they are coming! Going for a walk!

louiseds

December 20, 2012 - 3:07am

Hi Mika, It is worth becoming familiar with both of them. Neither is better than the other. There is a lot of information on First Aid for Prolapse.