When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
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Surviving60
December 19, 2012 - 5:27pm
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bleediing
Hi Cinder - if you put some terms in the search box (try "bleeding cervix") you can look through the discussions for something on this. Lots of people have things they like. I've been hearing coconut oil a lot lately. There's a video under Resources/Living Arts that shows how Christine makes her red clover salve (otherwise known on these pages as Bliss Balm). I'm not the expert on this one, so, look around while you're waiting for other suggestions. - Surviving
cinder60
December 19, 2012 - 6:03pm
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Infections from bleedding
Thank you. I have looked around, but I guess I didn't say that the part that really disturbs me is that I wonder how dangerous it is. I'm not a fan of blood, but also really scared of infections, etc.
louiseds
December 20, 2012 - 3:18am
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clover salve / bliss balm
Not the same products, Surviving. Clover balm is DIY, a la video. WW Bliss Balm was a balm that used to be available from the Store, but the supply ran out, and it was not easy to manufacture more, so Bliss Balm is back on the Wish List of products.
Louise
louiseds
December 20, 2012 - 3:25am
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infection
Hi Cinder
It sounds like you are really worried about infection. I don't know that i have ever heard of an infected cervix on the Forums. If your cervix is coming out and rubbing on your knickers, and you are in the end of your reproductive life, this irritation can happen. You don't give any details, so it is hard to be specific. Use the Search box to look for other women's stories. You might only need to make some postural adjustments to get it back inside your vulva again. In the meantime I suggest that you are careful to ensure that you change your knickers regularly to prevent cross contamination where your cervix rubs on the crotch of your knickers. Going without knickers could also be helpful. Your pubic hair may protect your cervix.
Louise
Surviving60
December 20, 2012 - 7:24am
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Seriously Louise? All this
Seriously Louise? All this time I thought that Christine put the video out there to show how to make it, because it was no longer sold on the site. What's the difference? I came along too late to buy it from the site, and so far I've been much too lazy to whip up anything from scratch (perhaps that will change if and when I become plagued with irritation issues, but that hasn't happened yet). - Surviving
louiseds
December 20, 2012 - 10:10am
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seriously
However, a balm is a balm. It is made from a base of oil with a proportion of wax. This gives it the right consistency. Coconut oil is good because it melts at body temperature and is not hard to spread. The wax stops it from being runny and keeps it where you put it. Bliss Balm had some may have been a combination of oils. It also had some lovely essential oils. Clover balm has a concentrated red clover tea that has been infused for a long time. Most of the water is cooked off it, and it is combined with the oil and wax. The order you do the different steps is on the video.
It is not hard to make a balm. You just need coconut oil in the right form to melt at the right temperature. Some processed change the melting point. Beeswax is not hard to find. When you make your own you can choose what to put in it and how much. You can make it in very small quantities. I make a face cream jar at a time of red clover balm. First I get the oil/wax combination right. Then I add tincture of red clover, bought in a tiny bottle from a herbalist, and add it with a dropper, then stir it in with a paddle pop stick to make an emulsion. I like to use anhydrous lanolin as a base for hand balm, for cracks in my hands, because it sticks well. I use sorbolene as a base for face cream. I have ground red clover tea to a fine powder and added it straight to the sorbolene to make a cream that is smooth for dry patches on my face. Am I nuts? Maybe, but I do know what is in it!
Louise
cinder60
December 20, 2012 - 5:53pm
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Thanks for the comments
I have looked around the site and didn't notice too many people talking about infections, but was still really scared. My OBGYN did tell me that a POP wouldn't be the first symptom of cancer and that was somewhat of a relief. I just freak out about things that I can't readily control. I was living okay with the bladder prolapse and the addition of the cervix has just thrown me for a loop. I am doing better, I think, with the posture and when sitting things do go back in. It's just that standing at work, etc, makes life difficult. I really admire all the ladies on here that are going on about their life. I hope that some day I will be there also. I am now 62 and have other health issues and just am not dealing well with my 60's. Take care and thank you all. Have a great holiday.
MsNightingale
December 20, 2012 - 6:49pm
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Dear cinder60
I try to think of prolapse in a general way. Yep, it is there and a part of me now. However, it doesnt much matter to me what kind it is. The organs are moving about and if we went to the dr every hour, they might tell us something different each hour. The way to treat any kind of prolapse seems to be the same....with healthy posture, diet, proper WW exercise, and some degree of optimism. It is great that you find sitting helpful, you must be in good seated posture! I think in time, you will find that you can stand and hopefully walk in good WW posture as well. Then you will maybe start to feel like you are on a recovery path. I am about your age although I am not struggling with any other health issues. I know what you mean about being scared about things that we can't control. The good news with POP is that in time we can actually control this, at least to some extent. How is your standing and walking posture coming along? Are you able to do a bit of the Prolapse dvd? You take care and best wishes to you!
cinder60
December 20, 2012 - 8:10pm
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Msnightengale: My standing
Msnightengale: My standing isn't going well. I have tried to concentrate on how I am sitting and then stand up in that same way, but my back just doesn't work that way. I do stand up strait but just can't get the curvature. Walking seems to help, if it would just get nicer out I could do more of it. I am really watching what I eat and that makes a big difference. I don't really like yogurt, apples and prunes, but they are now an essential food source. Living i the country with animals and a wood stove makes life a little more of a challenge. Thanks for your good wishes and the same back to you.
discouraged
December 20, 2012 - 8:33pm
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Bleeding of cervis
I have been having some minor bleeding from one or two blisters near my cervix. I believe it is from rubbing on the elastic on my underpants. So, I've tried some pads with "wings" that I can cover the elastic with and it seems to help. Also, I use honey around my cervix if there has been bleeding. And I change my underpants and pads several times a day. That seems to work. One thing about the cervix is that I believe it is really quick to heal. Although re=injury may occur because it is a sensitive skin area. I felt paniced when I saw some dripping blood into the toilet, but I discovered it was from my peeking cervix, and then I saw the little sore, and when I pushed it in for the night it was veryimproved by the morning. Isn't it weird how you can panic and then after a few days think, "Well, I can handle that, I just need to do this." You are not alone and I believe you can!
D
MsNightingale
December 20, 2012 - 10:00pm
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Hello again Dear cinder60
Try not to worry about whether you get much curve or not. the important thing is to relax your belly (that was so so difficult for me), to lift your chest, and to lift slightly the crown of the head. Each of us will have a bit of a unique lumbar curve. My belief is that as we adopt this uplifted chest and crown of the head, and as we relax the belly, then our back will slowly over time find it's natural curve. In my first weeks, it helped me to stand and to pace around. If the weather will not allow you to really take a walk, just get into posture and walk slowly from room to room. It can be slow but it must be in WW posture. Maybe if you do not worry about your curve, but rather trust that your efforts over time will bring you a bit of one, then maybe you will begin to find a bit of success. Living in the country is so wonderful but yes, I imagine you have many challenges with that. Once again, best wishes to you.
Surviving60
December 21, 2012 - 7:40am
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Lumbar curvature
When I first started this work in the spring of 2010, I didn't feel like I had any lumbar curvature at all. It does take awhile to restore it after a lifetime of sucking and tucking. Even now, what I see in the mirror represents a modest difference, but the difference I FEEL is huge. I got "checked out" by WWUK and WWPA at the conference last May, and they said, yeah, you're getting there! And I'll never forget when one of them said to the other, you know this is Surviving, don't you?
Cinder, refresh our memories. Do you do lots of firebreathing during your day? Do you find some comfortable poses to get a good stretch? I will admit right now that I don't have a low-hanging cervix. I am blessed with "nature's pessary" (aka my 'celes). But everything is connected and moving around all the time, as Ms. N. has reminded us. I especially like to stand in a plie position with my hips turned out and my belly way out front. As Christine says, this is probably one of the most stable standing positions for prolapse.
Keep working at it. Prolapse isn't going away, not at our age. It's all about stabilizing it as best we can, and getting on with life knowing that our insides can be tamed to a degree (the rest is attitude!) - Surviving