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Prolapsed organs are in constant motion. And yes, it is quite possible to feel improvement almost immediately, just from knowing that you have options other than surgery and that your lady parts are not actually falling out! That being said, you haven't yet provided us any feedback on any of the suggestions made. If you are doing kegels, you owe it to yourself to read Christine's blog post called "Just do yer kegels" and make sure you understand that kegels are actually pulling the prolapsed organs in the direction of making things worse. Are you trying WW posture? - Surviving

Hi, has anyone had complete success in reversing their prolapse using the WW posture? Has Christine resolved her problem or is it still tasking?
A lot of sites have success stories with squatting, Hab-it, t-tapping, rebounding, kegels with tailbone out etc..on this site I feel everyone is managing the POP and not healing it 100%. Why isit not possible to heal it 100% using WW?
I have 2 children, the youngest is 20 months, whilst I was expecting him I had a prolapse. After the birth the MW told me I had uterus prolapse and to do PF exercises and it did disappear. 20 months later I have it again, I'm really scared of going to the toilet and I keep checking it as I keep thinking everything is going to fall out, its the same when I walk about or do housework etc. What is the likelihood of everything falling out? and what do you do? Is it dangerous? Should we be checking or not?
I have stopped trying to push mine back up as it slides back down again, it feels like a small tube attached to it and sometimes in an attempt to push it back my finger would go inside the tube opening...is this the uterus?
Its currently just resting on the right side of the opening - is that ok? Has anyone tried any herbs. My grandma was from Kashmir and had this problem and she was given a herbal tea to drink and it disappeared overtime. She is no longer with us and I cannot tap into the wisdom the elders had.
I think I need lots n lots of reassurance....X

Hi Shazzy – You sound very young, but certainly old enough not to believe every claim that you read on the internet.

In a young woman, prolapse often goes away on its own after childbirth. It happened to me twice. If you’re doing kegels, t-tapp or whatever, you will assume it’s the kegels, t-tapp or whatever that “fixed” you. If, like me, you did nothing at all, then you are still in the same situation: some day, sooner or later (for me it was menopause), it will be back. If, when you are young, you start to address the root postural and lifestyle issues that are the true causes of prolapse, you might find that you can reverse it for good before it gets beyond a certain point. But more likely, as happened to the rest of us, you ignored or mismanaged it for years, and eventually find instead that prolapse gets stabilized and managed, not cured. Hey, that’s what we do here. We don’t give false hopes. We tell women how they can live their lives without fear or limitation. We tell them why certain things help and other things don’t. I personally didn’t like the feeling of organs squishing into my vagina, and I’m happy to have them spending most of their time nestled in my lower belly. That doesn’t mean I never feel them or that my prolapse is cured.

WW posture and other tools, like firebreathing, can help you keep the uterus inside. Pushing it back in doesn’t help much by itself, but if you can get it up over the pubic bone and learn how to keep it forward in the belly, you have made a start. Can you stand up with a totally relaxed lower belly, chest pulled up strongly? It may feel weird, but after awhile, it’s heaven.

This posture is the right thing for your prolapse, your spine, your hips. It lets you get on with life. There are no guarantees in this, or anything else you do in life. You get back what you put in. - Surviving

What pelvic floor exercises have you been doing? The real thing that will give improvement is this beautiful posture. Here is your check list so that you do not look at it any longer.....so that you do it every moment that you are awake. With feet facing forward (ready to walk) be sure that your knees are soft and not locked. Relax your tummy and pull your chest upward. Leave your shoulders down....do not pull them back but rather downward. Lift the crown of the head upward (which will actually slightly tuck the chin). Your breath will come softly but deeply into your belly. This is the new you. This is your hope to really improve. At first, it will be normal to get achy and hurt a bit. You will get tired. When you do, rest on all fours or on knees and elbow. You can lay down to rest if you want. But every moment that you are up, you want to be obsessed with this posture. In time, your pelvic organs will move forward in your lower abdomen, where they belong. Never pull your tummy in or tuck your tailbone...those things are so prevalent today and they are actually contributing factors to prolapse. If your present day pelvic exercises are kegels....you will want to rethink that. Order Christine's book and Prolapse DVD, or the whole bundle if you are motivated in this new year. Those exercises, along with walks in posture, are the true pelvic exercises that will give you a future. My best wishes to you dear menopausel and... !

Thankyou for your reply! I appreciate your time and advice.

Surviving60 I wish I was young, I will turn 40 this May!! Is it too late?? I have not been doing any other exercise apart from trying the WW posture.At the moment I am finding it hard work as my upper back feels very weak and I cant synchronize the breathing and relaxing the belly, I have always had a tendency to breathe in as a child and am finding this is difficult to break especially with added anxiety. But I am persevering. I cannot tuck POP any higher up it comes back down straight away, is this "normal"? Does this change with time?
I am only of very slight build, always have been, I'm 5'1" and about 6 stone, I lose weight quickly and struggle to put any on, I dont have much of a belly either.
Does the fear element subside? I was talking to a pelvic bone expert today and she just laughed when I told her about posture! she told me if things dont improve surgery is the only alternative.
I was wondering which DVD is more appropriate? Ive listened to the summaries and they all sound very good.
Are you able to enjoy life to the full with this?
Thankyou for your help and supportive comments!

You are very young !!! I will be 62 in June and I am here to tell you that yes, things can get better. How sad that the medical world cannot stop and take a look at all this evidence that posture does indeed play a huge role in the treatment of prolapse. I am a beacon of light in this world (and hope to remain that).....I have improved enormously in seven months of posture work. Is my posture perfect? I doubt it but until I can afford a trip to Christine or a WW teacher, I will be my own obsessive posture teacher. Most days, I am not slowed down by it at all anymore....most of the time I do not even notice it. Seven months ago I thought my life was over. You are so right.....it is very difficult to learn to relax the belly and breath into it. Do not despair. Just keep trying. Every day can bring one more little tiny ray of hope and improvement. Try to stay focused. It does not matter if you are tiny and your belly is small. It is you and you were still made to have a lumbar curve with organs in the lower abdomen. There is room in there for them if you learn to stop tightening them. That was so hard for me too, but in time, it will come if you remain committed to do it. Yes, the fear is another big one. I am here to tell you that that too will subside. I was in tears, terrified, defeated, and now I am strong and happy and trusting that with this posture I will continue to improve just as Surviving and Louise so often tell us....after years, they continue to improve. If you can only afford one DVD right now, I would go for the Prolapse DVD and begin with the beginner workout, slowly and carefully to take in all of what it has to offer. Best wishes to you dear Shazzy!

Hi Shazzy,
That tube is more than likey your cervix. I have uterine prolapse and I can also feel that tube as you call it. It really surprised me that the cervix could be so long. I have only been doing this for a few months, but have noticed a substantial improvement in my symptoms. I too kept trying to push it all back up in there. I kept reading this site, while waiting for my book and DVDs. I would try all the exercises and the posture which was difficult at first, but I kept thinking I don't want surgery!
I read about jiggling, and did that. Although it did provide temporary relief, things would slide down again. Once I got my book and DVDs, I followed them religiously; that is when I really noticed relief from my symptoms. The squishing, burning, heavy feeling went away.
I have had a retroverted uterus most of my adult life, and never knew this is what would happen with it, until it did. I am so happy to have found this site, and all these wonderful ladies to support us!
Perseverance and patience is what I have been learning now. I may not ever have everything perfectly back up there, but I am so much more comfortable follwing the whole woman way, and that is good enough for me.
Good luck to you on your journey.

Dear Ladies, Many thanks for your kind words and support. I am overwhelmed by the support on this forum it moves me tears, as I type tears are rolling down my face.You ladies are inspirational and awesome! You are beautiful inside and outside that is easy to ascertain !!!!
Most people have told me that I have POP because of my body type, and you can't help but then ponder is it because I am so slight, but as you have beautifully explained that is just me and my organs should be accommodated.
My fear is what if the POP falls out, it terrifies me that it is so close to the opening. At least I know that it is the cervix that I am feeling as I wasn't sure-so thankyou very much for that clarification.
How is best to sleep? Do we need to keep a lumbar curve in place by rolled up towel underneath the curved spine?

I will continue trying to correct the posture and save some pennies for the prolapse DVD suggested. Everytime I'm having an upset moment, I log onto this site for beacons of light like yourselves!
Thankyou again!!!

I worried about sleep also at first. What was the right way to lay?! But, from the reading on this site and personal experience thus far, it hasn't mattered how I lay. It is suggested though that you should lay more flat rather than propped up, because that changes the curvature. The more experienced ladies can give you better advice on that. I just know if I start to feel like I have overdone it and start to feel a little heavy down there, I lay down.
My cervix was actually poking out in the beginning. It was hanging there more on the anal side. Since doing whole woman, she is more nestled on the pubic side and a little higher up! What a relief that is!
I am definetely going to try to continue to get her up higher, but like I said this feels sooo much better!!
The way I look at it, the little bit of money spent on whole woman is nothing compared to the doctor bills I would have to pay if I took the medical route. For me this is a great investment, and you don't have to do it all at once. I still don't have all the DVDs, and I am doing great!
Best wishes!

Aging gracefully what an improvement!! Your POP sounds very similar to mine. I pray that your efforts are rewarded and please keep me informed of how things improve, it will certainly help myself and others to continue striving.
It's nice to hear how women have improved using these tools and the timescales, it provides that ray of hope
It is amazing how strong you ladies remain and have the time to support others X

Just to let you know that for about 4 weeks I have been doing the WW posture and the 1st prolapse exercise and I have noticed a lot. I am so much better than I was. I had a baby like head coming out of my vagina now there is a whole (at least last time I looked). I am sure my bladder it is not all the way up.
Also this morning I went to a group of coffee friends.......funny one asked how is your wife doing....the other stated yeah the surgery did not work she had bladder suspension surgery and now she had to have a catheter.....another person stated my mother-in-law had that and it did not work.......funny thing I can relate so much now. good luck

I am not even brave enough to go out! Since noticing this problem it has affected my confidence. I hope that one day i will feel strong enough to feel happy and enjoy life again!

I felt exactly like that in the beginning also, Shazzy. With whole woman work you will get braver!
I was afraid to do everything. I stopped going for my walks that I loved. I wouldn't pick up my sweet little 2 year old grandchild. All I would do is hide away and feel sorry for myself and read this forum.
It gave me hope, and the exercises and posture gave me strength. I am not afraid anymore. I just have something new to be aware of.
As always, wishing you the best!!

Thanks ladies for sharing great successes. I have been doing this for 2-1/2 years and it just keeps getting better! I've just come off of a very prolapse-unfriendly holiday season. Lots of heavy cleaning, snow shoveling, extra laundry loads, and most of all, a full week of being sick as a dog with tons of sneezing and hard chest coughing, curling up into soft couches just because......But my prolapse did not act up. When standing and moving, I didn't have to think about it. When bending over, I did have to remind myself to bend from the hips with lumbar curve in place, and when I made that small adjustment in my stance, I could feel the organs shifting up over the pubic bone. Amazing.

Shazzy, don't be afraid to go out. Those organs are not going anyplace. Throw yourself into this 1000%, and you'll have the spring back in your step before long. - Surviving

I have been on the site for about 5 months now. I have read the book and doing the DVDs. I find it really hard to remember the posture but as stated above.. Focus and remember to not have a tight stomach... It's so ingrained in me to hold in the stomach. I have found that when I am feeling really "out" I will get on my hands and knees and do some fire breathing or other short exercise to get me back "in". That way I feel I am managing to do something positive. I have been talking to younger women and friends about it too. As women we need to teach others what we have learned. Perhaps by "knowing" more about this and sharing with others , some else's POP can be prevented altogether!

Well said, LT! We women really do have to look out for each other, don't we!?!
I really love firebreathing also! It has helped me keep my uterus and even my vaginal walls up there, especially in those saggy moments.

Hi Shazzy

I am glad you have landed here, among a group of wonderful women who can help you to overcome this. You have made a few comments on the way through, indicating that you are carrying a load of blame for your condition. When you say that your body shape and size have been blamed, and that you don't have much of a belly, and that the pelvic bone specialist just laughed at you, I am shaking my head.

Your body is just as good as anyone else's body. Your belly is simply a place on your body, that is bounded by abdominal musculature. some of us have a lot of fat on the outside too, but it is those precious muscles, that just sit there, that allow a rounded haven for your pelvic organs just above your pubic bones. By opening and proudly lifting your chest your lumbar curve of your spine will come forward and your pubic symphysis will drop down a little, and move back further between your legs. This is what makes your lower belly rounder.

Learning to breathe with your diaphragm is quite difficult for a person who has inhaled into her chest and shoulders all her life. I suggest that you spend some time each day practising your breathing, perhaps lying down flat with your hands on your belly. Completely relax first, then try and make your hands move up by inhaling and down on inhaling. Even if you don't succeed, keep trying. Eventually your brain will 'get it'. You don't even have to physically do the exercise every time. Just thinking about it will help your brain to learn it. Keeping your mouth shut will doing this breathing may also help.

OK, Queen Shazzy, your new posture has just make you at least an inch taller. Go get 'em in your new regal posture.

As for the pelvic bone specialist, I only have pity for him for losing an opportunity to learn something new. Poor ignorant man!

Thank you so much ladies for the reassurance and advice, this forum is the only tool helping me to try and deal with POP. No-one really understands the physical and emotional impact unless they are affected by this in some way. I wish we were educated about these issues at school, it really should be introduced as part of the curriculum.
Louise thank you for the advice and the tips on breathing - and also for calling me a Queen : ) I would love to know how the WW method has helped you on your journey. Is your PO back in its place or does it still need WW input ?
Love and light

Just watched the dvd and did the dances. Ah..very comforting to know that each time I watch and do I get something else from it. Happy new year to all whole women! May you find peace and learn to love your body again !

Hi Shazzy - I'll answer for Louise until she gets here. WW posture is for life. It's how we manage our prolapse now, and forever. Furthermore, it's the right posture for all women. Do you want to be one of those humpbacked old ladies? Hmmmmm......not me. If you do not restore your lower lumbar curvatire now, your spine will compensate later by curving somewhere else. No thanks. Nor do I intend to end up with major hip problems like my mom. If my prolapse vanished tomorrow, I would never give up this posture. But anyway, yes, "WW input" is for life. - Surviving

And LT ...... you will continue to get more and more out of it, the more you do. It's very empowering, too, don't you think? It's you, managing your prolapse (not your prolapse managing you). Remember all the time while doing the moves, to keep that belly relaxed. Every time Christine says "maintain all aspects of the posture", pretend like she's barking out: "Belly relaxed! Chest pulled up! Shoulders down!" Over and over and over. There can't be too many reminders in the early days. Go for it! - Surviving

I keep checking mu uterus and it is very low near the opening, I become quite upset that it is very low and it hasn't moved! Does everyone else keep checking their POP or do you learn to eventually ignore it and carry on ?

I think we might all be different with regards to checking. I never check. For me, it is best to stay focused on the path ahead....posture, walks, DVDs, my work, etc, and just do what I should and try to forget it as best I can. My feeling is that if we look optimistically at our newfound knowledge and follow this with all that we can, then we do not need to keep checking. It will move in time and even then, each day will be a bit different. Sending you best wishes!

I agree with MsNightingale. Checking just made me crazy. I made a choice not to have surgery, and to instead go down this path. I now am more aware of how it feels without checking. If I start to feel aching or bulgy, I do jiggling, firebreathing, and rest. The rest of the of the time, I try to keep in posture, do the exercises, and try to get on with my life, because I could easily fall into obsessing about this.
The ladies on here aren't kidding about putting yourself into this 100 percent. If I get lazy, I pay for it, but I know now that I can turn to the techniques taught with whole woman, and I feel better again!

I just wanted to say my POP was hanging slightly to the right of my opening, since trying to adopt the WW posture it is now right in the middle of the opening... I wondered could this be a positive thing ?
I do feel more vulnerable now as it is right in the middle only a fingertip away.

Shaz, it's time to stop checking. Your prolapse is in constant motion. What does it mean that it appears to have moved from the right to the middle? It probably means that it's time to stop obsessing. Get on with posture and walking and moving ahead with life. - Surviving

Hi Queen Shazzy

My story is in the Experienced Members' Success Stories. It is rather long. ;-) There are a few other stories in there too from other Members.

Louise

Jiggling and then firebreathing really helped me to pull my uterus up more and smoosh my cervix into the pubic side, and there it stays for the most part. That is when I noticed the burning, achey heavy feeling going away. The rest of the time I try to keep in posture to keep it there. I notice also that if I don't take care of my bowels, they will try to push my uterus back down; so I really have to be more conscious of what I eat. Darn! And being naughty with food was so much fun!

These are great results, Graceful, thanks for sharing. It sounds like things are working exactly as they should! Impressive, after a relatively short time. Just think about the sense of control that you will have a year from now!

Yes, bad food is my downfall as well. All the more reason for me to look after all the other aspects of this work that are within my control. I'm grateful we have some good-sense food people on this Forum! Keep up the good work. - surviving

I guess I just wanted Shazzy to know that even small results in the beginning can be very rewarding.
My cervix is still low, but not sticking out anymore. It is in a position now that is more comforting to me.
I feel like uterine prolapse is kind of a minority, if I m wrong please correct me. And, Shazzy, if you can learn more about jiggling and firebreathing, please do, because it does really help me. Put them in the search box, there is a lot of good information you can find until you can get the book.

I think POP is something which takes time to get comfortable with and feel confident about, I'm not in that place right now. Thank you ladies for your support and your directness to stop the dwelling and obsessing. I probably will need reminding along the road! Your support is much needed.
I have ordered the first aid DVD and am pinning my hopes on this.
I've read the WW success stories, I am really pleased that women are able to get back on with their lives as time doesn't wait for anyone!
I was really hoping to read that organs were correctly re-positioned in their rightful place with WW, but even after years of WW exercises women are facing the daily challenge of POP.
Louise, I was surprised that your POP is 1cm away from the opening. Are you symptom free? Does this not bother you that it is not higher up? I assume you have no discomfort anymore.I'm only asking these questions as I think it would worry me-and I'm probably really silly to waste time worrying. You women are obviously very strong minded and determined and have a very positive attitude, maybe this is the key to overcoming it.
I've inherited the 'worry' gene from my mum, I wish I could change that,it would stop me becoming so upset and sensitive.
Hugs to all the wonderful women XXXX

Hi Shazz – first let me remind you, this isn’t a mere exercise program. Posture is what we do all day, every day. We have been very clear that this doesn’t “cure” prolapse, but it stabilizes it and can reverse the symptoms in varying degrees in different women. And a lot of those differences are in direct relation to the amount of effort and commitment. The posture makes you feel GREAT. If I woke up tomorrow prolapse-free, I would never go back to my old ways of standing and moving. I do not fear, nor do I resent my symptoms. On the contrary, they have become my barometer for health and well-being.

I think some of the luckiest members here are those who have friends and relatives with bad surgical results. It it easier for those of you to conclude that WW is the way. For the rest of us, it is definitely a leap of faith at the beginning, because posture change just seems too basic and far-removed from the feeling of our organs cramming into our vaginas. That’s why you just have to accept that this path beats all others, dive in and get to work.

For me, the 2nd year marked a big change in efforts and in results. The 3rd year is my year of total appreciation for the wonder of the human body. Today in a restaurant I saw an older woman with a huge hump back and her head held way out in front of her. I know I’m heading into old age with my hips and spine in beautiful perfect WW alignment, and my pelvic organs generally perched over my pubic bones. I’ll work tirelessly to keep them that way. The posture itself does not require effort, once your body has memorized it. The sooner you start, the sooner you’ll reach that goal.

I can remember the horrible early days of prolapse, but only in the kind of intellectual way that you can remember the pain of childbirth but you can’t really put yourself back into that body and feel that same feeling again. I love the posture so much, that I have to love my prolapse for bringing it into my life. I thank Christine daily for this gift she has given to women. - Surviving

my bladder is in the normal position, with only a slight bulge in my front vaginal wall above my urethral opening adn some rugae. When I can feel the bladder bulge in a standing position my finger has almost two knuckles hidden by my outer labia. I have had no difficulty emptying my bowel today, and my cervix is unfindable because it is so high and round a forward bend. Zero symptoms.

On the day I described it as 1cm inside it may have been a day when had done a lot of exertion. At 1cm inside I can feel a bit of something there, but it is always gone the following morning.

At its worst, while my uterus was still retroverted, the presence of my bladder down low would open my vulva and my urethra would rub on my knickers. My cervix was peeping out of my vulva at the back, with the bladder in front of it. I also had repeated UTI's and thrush. This was all in the middle of perimenopause.

Prolapses change all the time.

Does that convince you that it is possible?

What wonderful positive stories!!
Reading about your feelings, thoughts and especially your fantastic results benefits others in so many ways and gives us a ray of hope!
How interesting that you are at a stage where you are able to show gratitude to your prolapse.This is how humans should be in every aspect of life, we would deal with life in a lighter way!
I am waiting for my first aid DVD so I can understand and digest everything.
My mum is so worried for me as we are 200 miles away, I really don't want her to worry!
My husband is also 180 miles away with his work,we only see him once every month at the weekend.
This forum is my only solace regarding my POP. It's like a virtual shoulder to lean on!!

Just lean, Sista. That's what we are to each other. If one is not here, then someone else will be. Aren't we lucky to have each other thousands of miles apart!