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Surviving60
January 29, 2013 - 8:08pm
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Interesting question, Agnus.
Interesting question, Agnus. My understanding is that the organs don't start to move down and forward until the baby gets up on her feet. Until then, they are held very high in the abdomen. Watch Christine's first video on the Video page (under Resources tab) for a good explanation of how the female organs travel during about the first 18 years of life. - Surviving
agnusdei
January 29, 2013 - 9:01pm
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I have watched that video
But I think, since we all crawl before we walk, or most of us do any ways, it must be for some important reason. I know that one reason is that learning to crawl developes synapses that cross from the right to left brain and vise versa, because the right arm moves with the left knee, and the left arm with the right knee etc. This helps the brain to grow, and so crawling should be encouraged if the baby likes to shuffle to the couch or table and then pull up to stand. In the video it says when they stand inter abdominal pressure pushes the organs into the belly, well into the end of the teen years, where they will sit for the life of the woman (if treated the way they should be). But the baby bouncing the pressure from top to bottom is more for when they are not mobile yet. My question is more about does the crawling help start that bend from the straight organs into the angle into the belly, since they are so mobile then? Gravity must have some effect on those organs. I just think after my 2 girls crawled for well over 7 1/2 months that their organs would not still be running straight up and down. I am not second guessing the WW way, I believe fully in the whole posture, walking, breathing, the entire life change, but was just thinking which is what this WW community brings. Lots of new beginnings and questions. Just like the other lady mention about holding emotions in our sucked in belly. Things you never thought of before come to mind. I have thought through many things in a different way since WW.
kiko
January 30, 2013 - 12:35am
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Hmmmm
Interesting. I never crawled as a baby...wonder if there's a link there...
Christine
January 30, 2013 - 9:04am
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interim step
I think this has to be a vital step, Agnusdei and I have not been able to work out exactly when the organs and their channels go from long, straight axes through the funnel-shaped abdominopelvic space, to bi-axial 90-degree angles so the organs are supported by the lower belly.
The round ligaments (in front, travel down inguinal canal on either side of lower belly and embed in the labia surrounding the vagina) are made up of the same contractile tissue as the uterus itself, and they pull the uterus down and forward by contracting. Oxytocin must be instrumental in this regard, another reason why breast-feeding may have great importance beyond what is conventionally known.
Really though, the heavy lifting happens when we stand up and walk. The labia (in back, not underneath!) on each side - which now help wrap the uterus almost 360 degrees around the body - are pulling the uterus down and forward with each step - even more so when running up on toes. It is an amazing process!
At the moment I am obsessed with the hip joint - there is so much complete magic in our own anatomy!
Who needs religion when we are enveloped in beauty and perfection?
:) Christine
agnusdei
January 30, 2013 - 10:09am
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thanks for the replies
Thanks Christine, yes I too wonder about how little we know about the effects of crawling and breast feeding. I am always amazed when the doctors tell us formula is on the same level as breast milk but we know that formula is only trying to imitate what nature has provided and we always fall short when we try to duplicate what is such a perfect food.
We are made so beautifully and complex, just thinking about how each dynamic part of our body has to work with the whole is amazing. Every time one part is not functioning the rest of the body must react, and its ability to do so is amazing.
I was telling the kids about crabs the other day, they wear their bones on the outside, and if you grab one of the legs or claws, and you don't let it go they will allow it to pop off, and grow a new one! What a different creature and again so wrapped in its own beauty and perfection. To think of all the animals and beings in this world, with such intricate life processes, is a miracle beyond understanding. I thank God for the diversity in life to show how beautiful we are, and strong, able to work out our issues. Amazing, compared to even all the other creatures.
agnusdei
January 30, 2013 - 9:59am
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kiko
Kiko, I also never crawled as an infant, was in casts and splints, and learned to walk in the splints much earlier than I should have. I guess they gave me too much stability. I have wondered about that as well, on how this aspect must have some defining role in the organ development and placement.
louiseds
January 31, 2013 - 4:49am
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(wo)man was made
It has been said that (wo)man was made in the image of God. Perfect. Awesome thought!