When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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Best wishes,
Christine Kent
Founder
Whole Woman
Comments
AmyS
April 25, 2006 - 9:10am
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Trimo-san
Wow, and they said this would give the proper PH balance. Good thing I couldn't find it after I ran out. I did notice that I had a funny discharge, kind of like cottage cheese, when I used that and not with regular lubricants. My doctor never said anything about the discharge, I didn't have an infection.
Thank you so much for being brave and telling the truth. You are such an inspiration and comfort to us.
pattileigh
January 10, 2009 - 12:11pm
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Trimo san
I used Trimosan for 4 years {1998-2002} and had the same discharge. I thought I was doing my vagina good using the product recommended for my pessary and was told many times regulr lubricants were bad for my pessary. I went to alot of trouble to find it for a few years and it doesn't come cheap. Then after 2002 I couldn't locate it in even in a bigger town or online. This product caused alot of itching after awhile and was told in 2003 I had a bad Pap smear something I never had ever in 25 yrs. of smears. Well since then I have never had a bad one and I had stopped this product. I have no clue if it was the cause. In 2006 I was told I had thyroid cancer and an immune system disorder with heavy antibodies. I don't think the thyroid cancer was caused by the product..
Sammy
May 20, 2011 - 7:45pm
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This is all so difficult for
This is all so difficult for me- I have a $100 Mylex donut 3.5 " in me as of yesterday and of course it came with Trimo San wherever that name came from.. I am well aware of carcinogens tetragens etc and workplace hazardous material etc. But I have a discharge and need to use sthg. I grew up with cows and love them.... I detest the details of chemical and pharmaceuticals and their risks. not sure what i will do - have not used Trimo san yet....I have read all of these comments- It says to use 3 x the first week not 3x daily on my instructijons but it also says to use as little as you can -- my doctors advised 1x per week... Choices ! and at what point in time do we know we made the correct choice....I know I am a grown woman and need to make my own choices- that is why I quit smoking but it is so confusing- I do not know the ins and outs of fighting unwanted bacteria..
csf
May 21, 2011 - 8:38am
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Sammy
Gosh, Sammy, I so hear you! It certainly is a lot of information and hard to sort it all out. Yes, we know we are grown women and responsible for ourselves...yet there seem to be so many decisions and new ways of thinking that it feels at times impossible to even know what to do! : ) Information that's seemingly contrary life as we so wrongly, but innocently knew it to be before! The simplest things don't seem simple anymore, I understand! : )
Praying for you! Hang in there! You'll get through!
csf
Sammy
May 22, 2011 - 6:03am
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Thanks CSF
Thanks CSF
virgo46
April 30, 2006 - 9:59am
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Hi, I love the site. What is
Hi, I love the site. What is a good vaginal lubricant? Also to all the posture works. I have your book and video and my body knows when
I am not using the posture. It's been about a year doing the exercise and learning to be mindful of my body. I stopped eating meat in sept. my family and friends think I'm nuts but I feel good and that's what matters. Looking foward to your new video.
Thanks
Rosemary
louiseds
July 7, 2006 - 6:53am
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Vaginal lubricant / Better sex
Hi Rosemary
There are a few topics scattered through the Lifestyle forum that touch on lubricants. I am about to put a new topic re 'better sex with prolapse'in the Lifestyle forum so we can get all those sex-type questions into one space.
Cheers
Louise
AnnW
May 1, 2006 - 10:24am
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unbelievable
This astounds me and really makes me want to research every single thing my doc and my baby's doc prescribes. I had an OB appt. last week and saw Trimo-san sitting on the counter. Clearly it's still used. And this is at UCSF! I wonder when/if this research will make it to the medical world.
Ann
nick
June 16, 2008 - 11:21am
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Regardless of what we hear,
Regardless of what we hear, i'm always researching what my baby is prescribed and as much as i dont like giving him drugs until he's older if he's sick he'll have to take them. I eat healthy exercise etc and do fine every year no flu no colds etc. These docs dont have a clue as to what their prescribing the doctors get told by drug companies what the drugs do they prescribe them sold. It amazes me more people aren't in drug rehab on the account of the stuff they write scripts for.
louiseds
May 2, 2006 - 10:13am
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Safe for cows but not for women
I didn't post before, because I wasn't really surprised. Very annoyed, but not surprised. I have no reason to believe that a pharmaceutical company promoting its human health product would mention to a doctor facts that are of veterinary interest, especially if the doctor doesn't ask "Is it safe for cows?" What doctor would be interested unless she was planning to use it herself. And it would be a pretty random question to ask a rep.
And I wasn't surprised that the USA national regulator failed to notice the discrepancy, as their job is so big. What's one little discrepancy? =:-O Call me a cynic if you like. I think maybe I am just getting wiser after sorting out family health problems all these years, and discovering that ultimately I have to be the one to decide whether a treatment or drug is OK for me or my family members, not the doctor who is basically just promoting others' products when he says, this or that cream is best. That is not meant as a dig against doctors. It is just that a lot of the detailed information about drugs is not displayed up front, and I think many doctors are swayed by promotion, rather than doing an audit on every drug they are asked to prescribe. They are doctors, not auditors, and there has to be a degreee of trust in all this. Doctors are a great place to start, but I don't think we should take their opinion as the final word.
God gave us freedom to choose and a brain to use, and now, thanks to Christine, I won't be using Trimosan.
Cheers
Louise
WIcheesehead
May 6, 2006 - 2:49pm
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Trimosan and Cancer
Thanks Christine for your detailed info on Trimosan beeing a possible carcinogen. I have been treated for non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma since I started using Trimosan. I am serious about investigating whether the Trimosan is the cause of my cancer. Could you give me suggestions about how to go about doing this? Should I contact someone in the government? or a lawyer who specializes in these cases? Does anyone have any referrals? My email is: [email protected] (if anyone wants to send it privately) Thanks.
greenone
January 5, 2008 - 6:51pm
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Trimo-San and other lubricants
Hi Christine,
I have just recently joined, and would like to thank you for your comments on Trimo-San. I used it as a pessary lubricant for 4 years or more. I experienced intense vaginal irritation which I questioned various Doctors about. Some suggested it was meno pausal hormones, other suggested using an anti itching cream.
My present Doctor, who really wants me to have surgery for a prolapsed bladder, suggested I just use Lubricating Jelly. She uses it in her office for rectal and vaginal exams. It is put out by Health Care Plus and is a Bacteriostat. The preservatives listed in it are Methyl paraben and propyl paraben. There are no other ingredients listed.
I have been using it for over one year now. I have had no vaginal irritation with it. My last period was eight months ago, so I'm not sure if the irritation was indeed caused by "hormones" as I approach meno pause.
What is your opinion of using this lubricant for a pessary wearer? What do think of my Doctor's opinion that a pessary is a foreign object and not good for me? She has suggested surgery several times but your comments have kept me from having this done.
Thank you.
louiseds
January 5, 2008 - 10:27pm
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Lubricants
Hi Greenone
Just wondering if a bacteriostat is a good thing to be using in your vagina in the longer term?? I can see that it is probably good surgery hygiene for the doctors' surgery, but would be wary of its potential resistance effect on vaginal microflora when I am the only one using it.
The good bacteria are are critical for vaginal health, but wouldn't a bacteriostat discourage them, and also potentially build up resistance in any bad bacteria that find their way in there, eg e. coli? I think I would prefer to use one that had as little effect as possible on my microflora, eg standard KY gel or something similar.
Cheers
Louise
Christine
January 5, 2008 - 8:06pm
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parabens and pessaries
Hi Greenone,
Thanks so much for joining this revolution in women's health!
Type "parabens" into the search engine on the left of the screen and you should receive some valuable information.
I would take pessaries over surgery and posture over pessaries. But if you can find a comfortable pessary that reduces your symptoms, you may be able to wear it for years with no exacerbation of your condition.
:-) Christine
csf
May 22, 2011 - 9:54am
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Trimosan, pessary, night shift, etc
I'm thinking about the four or five times I filled up a pessary with Trimosan in one day in the doctor's office and put it inside me. Then the other four or five times over the next few days.
Wow.
I had read this when I was brand new to the site. And thought how ghastly. But the name didn't stick in my memory and at the time I read it I had no idea that pessaries applied to me and had never heard of that and never knew what vaginal lubricants were used for, so it was all foreign to me.
Now it's ringing a bell that I had read this on my first day or so on this site. Pretty horrible feeling knowing I had put goops of this stuff inside me. Especially knowing I have two children and my husband died recently - OF CANCER. That's all my children need is ...well I won't even say it.
In my heart, I felt that my husband's cancer was related to his having taken Prozac.
I'm a bit worried about staying up all night in a chair during a time I'd normally be sleeping. And the drive there and back that I think clearly aggravates it. So was looking forward to trying the pessary again after a day's rest off from work. I go back in to work tonight at midnight to work until 10 am
Please, Lord, let these nights turn out to be a wonderful blessing! And easy!
: ) I'm trying to rest today in prep for my first all nighters. And will just take a short walk for exercise this morning, then take it easy.
And will try to pack healthy foods since nothing's available there. And through it all now I keep thinking uh-boy, I bet I still have residual trimosan in me. I feel like I outta clean out in there!? It's so goopy I'd guess it's still in days later. : ) Last time I used the pessary was Wednesday. I had used it two days.
I sent the Trimo-San info to my doctor today, btw. : )
Am now debating trying the pessary (I'm always thinking will something else prolapse?) and if so with what natural lubricant since I just read olive oil can be irritating inside and that Replens has prebens (sp?). Or should I just go without the pessary and pray to God nothing else falls. I don't feel "stabilized" if you know what I mean. I did go get all new clothes last night, dresses so that I have lots of room at the waist and everywhere. And comfy sweaters/jackets and flat shoes, courtesy of an inexpensive local store. : )
csf