When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
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UKmummy
April 24, 2006 - 9:32am
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Hi Erin,I know that I also
Hi Erin,
I know that I also had awful "joint" pain during the last few weeks of pregnancy, perticularly in my hips but it went after delivery. Some mornings I could only crawl around! I would think it is unusual to get such pain as you describe with a mild cystocele such as yours. All the joints relax during pregnancy, (due to the hormone relaxin being released), and I believe that this is why I was in so much discomfort. Perhaps this is the same for you and the hormone levels have not fallen yet? Are you still seeing your chirporactor?
Michelle
metasequoia
April 24, 2006 - 9:47am
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Yep, I saw my chiro last
Yep, I saw my chiro last week & plan to do so this week as well. I just wish my insurance covered her - LOL! As for the tissue issue, she said to just Kegel, so I guess I have to follow some of her advice & not all of it...the Kegel thing is very confusing. I'm not sure how to do it "right." I saw Christine mention doing them long & narrow or something & I don't understand.
The bone pain was bad, huh? It has a name, PSD, pubic-symphisis-dysfunction I think.
metasequoia
April 24, 2006 - 12:59pm
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Epiphany!
I just had an epiphany! I've been following the posture really closely & noticed that when I am at the computer, at the dining room table, keeping the curve in my lumbar spine, the part of me that is taking all of the pressure is the bottom part of my pubic bone (I think.)I spent a lot of time online yesterday! Right now, as I sit, I can feel all of the pressure on my urethra, which is right around my pubic bone!
How did I reach this epiphany?? My 6 yr old just recently had her training wheels taken off of her bicycle & has been so excited that she has been riding it all day, every day. The other evening she cried when she peed because she said it hurt so bad. My first thought was that she had a UTI, but once I thought about it for a while, I realized it was probably a bruise to her urethra or pubic bone from sitting on the seat for so long each day! Duh! I will try finding a new position for my online time....any suggestions? A friend of mine has her laptop on a shelf & she stands to type/read. Is that good?
Does this make sense? Maybe I have brusied this area??
Christine
April 24, 2006 - 2:56pm
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The well-known PT, Diane
The well-known PT, Diane Lee, believes pregnancy and postpartum pubic pain are due to relaxin-induced widening of the pelvic joints and thus a slight destabilization of the pelvis. She says:
“Consequently, the locking mechanism of the pelvic girdle is less effective, thus increasing the strain on the ligaments of both the sacroiliac joints and the pubic symphysis. The morphological changes within the pelvic girdle associated with pregnancy are universal and often occur without symptoms. Occasionally, women present between the 26th and 28th weeks with increasing tenderness over the sacroiliac joint and/or pubic symphysis secondary to loss of kinetic function. Normally, the pelvic girdle returns to its pre-pregnant state between the 3rd and 6th months postpartum and simply requires external stabilization during this period.”
You can seek the help of a PT for this, or see how constant use of the posture helps. Natural female posture creates the very stabilization Lee is talking about. Some sitting positions may be more comfortable than others - experiment! :-)
metasequoia
April 24, 2006 - 4:58pm
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Thanks Christine! Is there a
Thanks Christine! Is there a thread about recommended sitting positions here somewhere?
~Erin
Christine
April 24, 2006 - 5:12pm
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sitting postures
In the FAQs.
Wendy06
April 24, 2006 - 5:22pm
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Suggestion
Hi Erin,
I found during my last pregnancy and afterwards that switching my computer chair for one of those big pilates balls (sometimes called a Swiss ball) was really helpful. I've been using it again recently and it does seem to me to be compatible with what Christine says about good posture when sitting.
Just a thought!
Wendy
UKmummy
April 24, 2006 - 6:33pm
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This is totally what I did
This is totally what I did too................
louiseds
April 25, 2006 - 4:10am
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Pelvic bone pain
Oh yes, I remember that pain and tenderness after one of my pregnancies. Not nice at all. I will pass. I wish I had known all of this posture stuff 20 years ago.
Cheers
Louise
louiseds
April 25, 2006 - 4:11am
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Pelvic bone pain
Oh yes, I remember that pain and tenderness after one of my pregnancies. Not nice at all. I will pass. I wish I had known all of this posture stuff 20 years ago.
Cheers
Louise
metasequoia
April 25, 2006 - 4:11pm
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Like an exercise ball? The
Like an exercise ball? The big bouncy ones?
~Erin
UKmummy
April 25, 2006 - 10:54pm
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Yes, that is what I am
Yes, that is what I am sitting on right now..................:)
Wendy06
April 26, 2006 - 3:43am
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Exercise ball
Me too! Now I've gone back to sitting on it at my desk I remember why I found it so helpful. It's forgiving on the bones, but encourages you to sit up tall, strengthening the back, and it's nice to roll it a bit while you're working, giving your pelvis and back a bit of exercise. Certainly stops me getting that "seized up at the desk" feeling.
If you're thinking of buying one, just check you get the right size in diameter. I'm about 5'6" tall and I've got a 65cm diameter Gymnastikball, which is right for my leg length.
The recommended sizes are:
53cm ball for heights up to 5' 2".
65cm ball for heights 5' 3" to 5' 10".
75cm ball for heights 5'11 and over.
Wendy
metasequoia
April 26, 2006 - 8:06am
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Thanks Wendy - that is SOOO
Thanks Wendy - that is SOOO helpful!! I never would have known that there were sizes. I'm 5'9, so I guess you & I would use the same size ball. That's it, I'm buying one!!
Erin
mummy76
April 27, 2006 - 3:27pm
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I'm the same
Had the very same 'pubic-symphisis-dysfunction' you're describing latish on in my pregnancy and have also developed a cystocele and have been wondering if they had been linked. I'm also doing kegels and having a go at the posture. Have felt a little more stable the last few days. I'm hoping if the pelvis takes a while to reform that the prolapse may improve a little with it. I start physio in a few weeks so I'll ask about it.
HT
April 28, 2006 - 5:41am
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Pelvic Bone Pain
I also had this during the latter stages of pregnancy - and was hospitalised at 35 weeks for bedrest because of the severity of the pelvic instability. My baby (toddler) is now 2 1/2 and I still have recurring problems with this. The pain has reduced to almost nothing now but if I move the wrong way or stand on one leg, say, when shaving the other, (bad, I know) it still hurts afterwards. Dont know if it will ever go away? Does the posture help with this as well?
Thanks in advance,
HT
Christine
April 28, 2006 - 1:05pm
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Pelvis
Hi HT and thanks for writing,
What destabilizes the pregnant pelvis is a widening of the joints (the pelvis is made up of three bones and six moveable joints.) The pain comes from a stretching of the nerve-rich ligaments in between the joints.
What stabilizes the pelvis is a process called “nutation.” This is accomplished every time we are on our feet and in several seated positions as well. Nutation moves the tops of the great, wide hipbones, or ilia, together while raising the very bottom of the spine, or tailbone. This movement wedges the top of the sacrum (the triangular bone at the base of our spine) down between the hipbones that are clamping it tightly together on either side.
In turn, the sit bones widen. What happens with the pubic bone is interesting. Its joint, or symphysis, widens at the back because it is connected directly to the sit bones, yet clamps together at the front, because it is closely connected to the ilia! Our pelvis is extremely dynamic, not a stationary bone that just sits there.
In the latter stages of pregnancy, the pubis cannot clamp tightly together because hormones have relaxed its ability to do so. Its ligaments are stretched and that is the source of the pain.
Natural female posture, in the absence of relaxing hormones, creates the scenario described above wedging and clamping the pelvis together so that it forms a very stable horizontal platform from which the rest of the spine balances vertically. It is a completely amazing process!
I say, YES! the posture will help your pubic bone pain and prevent other conditions so many of the women here are dealing with.
Christine