When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
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MeMyselfAndI
May 9, 2006 - 11:54am
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I had to
I had to ASK my doc to examine me whilst standing up - Then and only then did he notice what I was feeling - So I would ask you to ask your own dr to do the same thing - As I know they like to do it while you are lying down - But I really feel that this should be done while you are standing - After all - THAT'S when we get the problems..
Good luck :)
Sue
mommi2three
May 9, 2006 - 11:58am
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urethra ache
I can relate to that. I felt alot of pain thru the stages that my urethra/bladder dropping. It may be different for other women. But this went on for a couple of months.
Christine
May 9, 2006 - 2:51pm
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Female pelvic organ support
Certainly possible, Erin. There are many different forms and degrees of prolapse, an infinite number of differences between women, and only one effective response to loss of organ support: reinstating the normal shape and strength of the human female pelvic organ support system. This includes strong pc muscles, which are conditioned naturally hundreds of times a day as we bend and lift, run and jump - as long as we are in the right shape. If you feel you need additional exercise of these muscles, which do experience some stretching of their nerve fibers during vaginal birth, then take the advice of some of the women here who have signed up for pt. A kegel is a kegel, however, no matter what visualization may be attached to it (i.e. "elevators") and you could probably figure out a program on your own if you can't go to pt. Squeezing like you are stopping the flow of urine is the common instruction, while being careful not to also squeeze your buns together. Sometimes these are done with pillows under the hips and sometimes the abdomen is concurrently drawn in toward the spine. The accessory muscles around the pelvis are also commonly mobilized. Others may have additional advice.
We are unique beings on the planet in that our lower half is horizontal and our upper half vertical. This means we have an L-shaped core that includes our buttocks and thighs. This is true for men as well, but for women it is an even more pronounced reality with critical implications. Now and forevermore there will only be different levels of intensity of proper and effective treatment for prolapse through reinforcing this core organ support. At the core human females are the same, not different.
As difficult as it is for many to accept, prolapse is not a gynecologic problem nor can the answers to prolapse be found in a medical approach.
Christine
Christine
May 9, 2006 - 6:36pm
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Erin...I was including loss of vaginal wall support in my response as well. Your organs may be just where they are supposed to be, but proper posture will still pull your vagina in an anatomically correct direction and may decrease your symptoms.
metasequoia
May 10, 2006 - 3:10pm
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Trampoline?
I took my son for his 2 month appt this morning & mentioned to our Dr. my bulgy/achy feeling. She is really sweet, very holistic & used to deliver babies, she is our family doctor & always tries to treat homeopathically before anything else & just has an overall "whole body" approach to things.
She examined me laying down while bearing down AND while standing. She said (like my OB) that my uterus was pretty high up but that she felt the bulge & said my vaginal walls were stretched thin & that she could feel a very slight cystocele & rectocele. I must have looked alarmed because she said that all that really meant was that my walls were stretched thin allowing bulges to be felt, but it didn't feel like anything had "dropped" & that I will probably tighten up as time goes by & that the best remedy is jumping on the trampoline! I think I might have seen something about that somewhere - was it here?
She assured me that it would help tone the right muscles & not make anything worse. She also said some sort of kegel routine, laying down with a pillow under my pelvis would be good. I tell ya, by the end of the day I really feel like I could use an ice pack down there! LOL!
Has anyone tried the trampoline?
~Erin
Christine
May 10, 2006 - 4:27pm
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pulling it all back together
Well, the people who’ve studied this most tell us it’s not the vagina itself – which has a great, accordion-like ability to stretch – but the underlying basement layers of fascia that get stretched and pulled away during some labors – and loss or diminishment of these layers leaves the vaginal walls unsupported and seemingly thin and droopy. It seems the great majority of postpartum women with prolapse experience a lapse of a few weeks before their symptoms appear. It stands to reason that if the cause of prolapse were simply thinned vaginal walls you would’ve been symptomatic as soon as you stood up after birth, or shortly thereafter (which some women who’ve suffered more severe trauma are.)
I think a more useful way to think about it is that your entire pelvic structure is both stretched and deformed (have a nice day, eh?) so that your organs no longer have their natural support. The normal bladder, by the way, is not leaning into the vagina so that the vaginal wall is the determining factor in whether or not a bulge appears. Stretched and deformed sounds drastic, but your doctor is right that symptoms do almost totally reverse in some young women. If you want my opinion, Erin, jump all you want on the trampoline, but while you are on your feet under the forces of gravity, stretch into the natural shape of your spine and pelvis, which were totally altered during pregnancy.
metasequoia
May 11, 2006 - 8:13am
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Thanks Christine, that makes
Thanks Christine, that makes sense... So are Kegels at all useful in toning the "fascia?" I am doing really well with the posture (but finding it really hard to break the habit of locking my knees!) I just would love to do *something* else to tone things up, but like you said, everyday movement in the proper posture works those muscles.
Christine
May 11, 2006 - 9:12am
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adjunct therapies
I think every woman needs the posture (and good diet, comfortable clothing, and exercise), and every woman needs to explore what else they might be drawn to. Some have found mayan massage to be useful, some the kegelmaster, and others pt.