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Hello wonderful ladies. I am 10 weeks postpartum and dealing with a 3rd degree cystocele as well as a rectocele. My midwife diagnosed these two but I am waiting to see an OBGYN who specializes in prolapse to get the full scoop next week. I feel that there could be additional prolapse issues and am finding myself thrown into a world of frustration and uncertainty. I lay awake at night breast feeding and reading a million things about prolapse. I cannot turn the good old brain off at this point when it comes to thinking about all of this.

I am currently 75% pro surgery of some kind because I seriously want to be done with this feeling and want desperately to enjoy my family and go on walks and hikes and bike rides and just clean my house without having to push my bladder back in. I want to be able to have sex with my husband, have a bowel movement without splinting and fear, and be able to wear my growing baby boy. I have a few questions about surgery that I know will be answered by the Doctor next week but I thought I would give it a try here first. Has anyone had surgery just after having a baby? Is it required to wait a certain period of time before surgery? I am also starting pelvic floor therapy next week and hope to learn some great things to help but from my understanding the organs will not fully go back into place without surgery. Thank you for hearing me out and I look forward to learning more and one day being in a place where I can support other women experiencing prolapse.

hello, sure others will jump in soon, seriously look into surgery, no one here will be pro surgery as Christine herself is living proof it's not the way. They class success from surgery is 7 years, if you research they normally always fail and people end up having further surgery. How old are you? They won't even suggest surgery unless your finished having children. I am really sorry you feel this way but I had prolapse after 1st baby, I've gone on to have more children and carry them etc. Just learn the whole woman posture. Get the first aid for prolapse dvd, and get working on changing your life for the better. Someone I don't know very well just had bladder prolapse surgery, it failed and they caught the bladder at the same time. Obviously it's your choice but I don't think you will get your life back as they say don't carry over 15pounds after surgery. Whole woman approach and postural changes will give you much more of your life back. Take care. Look around the site please

sorry also pelvic floor therapy is kegal exercises I imagine, they also are not what you want. I did them before I prolapsed and I knew they were making me worse and then I prolapsed. Look at Christine's literature about the "new Kegals" which we like to call pelvic rocks, if you search on u tube she has the start to the first aid for prolapse dvd which has a few exercises on. I have bladder and bowel prolapse and a lore cervix and I have sex and don't have to splint anymore, I did before practising posture, changing diet and throwing myself into this work. Please please have a look around and see the alternative ways.

Hi Sweet D - if you haven't looked around the site yet, you really should, and start by watching this:
https://wholewoman.com/newpages/video/ww101.html

.......preferably before you see your doctor. There is a better and safer way to live with this, but you won't hear about it from the doctor or anyone else. Don't do something you can't undo, without getting all the information first. There is no going back from the slippery downward slope of surgery. - Surviving

The way I see it is, one way or another you will have to wait a while before the surgery if this is the road you choose and the techniques offered here will help you right now. I am not anti surgery - I know friends of my mothers who have had bladder repairs that have held for 20 or more years but have read rectocele surgery is more problematic....The lying awake at night googling sounds like me and I understand and sympathise so much with your feelings of frustration right now. My prolapses are probably grade 2 (bladder and bowel) on a bad day and on a good day I *almost* feel normal so there is hope. My bladder was sticking out when I found it four months ago after a difficult bowel movement and knock on wood it hasn't done so since.....
Read the "so much better" thread on the long standing members success stories thread if you haven't already. It will give you a taste of what's possible with ww.

Some surgeries will hold for a long time; others will fail rather quickly and leave you worse off than before. The odds are very much against you and repeat surgeries will be your only recourse once you start.

The surgeries do not actually restore the organs to their natural positions. In many cases they do just the opposite, pulling and tacking things in the wrong direction and setting you up for something else to go wrong. Just ask Christine! Even the relatively simple "repairs" are accomplished by taking a slice out of the vaginal wall and stitching you up in hopes the bulge will not protrude so much into the vagina.

Do your own research; doctors don't have the answer to this one. The real postural correction described by Christine is the only thing that can really send those organs in the right direction, where they started out. - Surviving

Welcome to Whole Woman! And congratulations on your baby boy! i think you've gotten some really amazing advice here from some very incredible women. I do so hope you heed it. Please look under my past posts to see my story. Like you, (and so many others) I prolapsed within weeks of my child's birth. I went the medical route-just short of surgery- though only because the urogynecologist strongly recommended against it even though I was done having children. And he was the "prolapse specialist". My regular obgyn would have happily performed rectocele surgery 6 weeks post partum- long before I'd come close to healing from the delivery. While I didn't have a surgery (thank my lucky stars) I did do the PT, pelvic work and was fitted for a pessary. I healed up enough naturally that I was able to- for the most part- go back to 'normal'. Until 8 years later when I prolapsed again. I'd never learned WW posture and so hadn't learned how to protect my pelvic organs- above the pubic bone in my lower abdomen. I can't tell you how much I wish I could go back to where you are- post partum, with so much healing yet to happen and prime time to reorganize your pelvic organs.
In your post I hear how desperately you want to go back to how things were pre prolapse. i believe there is grieving to be done in early prolapse work- because at the very very least, there is a loss of a carefreeness- that I certainly had pre prolapse and in this regard, will never have again. I grieved for that carefreeness and on certain days I still do. But- with this work- I still have great sex with my husband, I still do my housework, workout, enjoy trips and outings with my family, etc. I am just very mindful of how I move and far more aware of what is realistic and what I need to ask for help with. I also know that as I age, my body will be so much better off because of the WW work and for that I'm beyond grateful. Furthermore I have many times when I am without symptoms.
Fortunately prolapse is not an emergency and you have 2 years of post partum healing even if you do nothing. I do hope you take some time to search this site and expose yourself to a very different understanding of prolapse and the female body than you'll hear from the medical community.
Wishing you the very best Sweet D. - gr8fl

Congrats on your baby!
I just wanted to add here that 10 weeks is really really early for your body. I know it's a shock to all your system, especially when you are loving a new baby. but it is really early days.
i developed a rectocele and cystocele post baby no. 2. i was ready to do anything. luckily i found Christine's work and luckily the top surgeon in our area of London said don't do the surgery unless you really can't live with this, but that he wouldn't even see me again for at least a year.
so i went away and followed christine's work and the difference was amazing.

by 6 months, when going back to work, i felt so much better. by a year, i often felt generally ok. by 2 years i was a new woman. and the healing continued.
i found that diet was key, but also in a way i didn't expect--an anti-inflammatory diet had a huge impact on shrinking my prolapses! exercise was key, posture, walking a lot, etc.
and resting my body, not lifting heavy things.
so i learnt to ask for help, to look after myself more.

fast forward 8 years, and i live well with prolapses that are now pretty minor. i pee a bit more than normal, and i have to watch my diet like a hawk or i get constipated. but it means i eat better. somedays it's bothersoem, most days don't notice it. somethings become normal for me and i just learn to live with them.

i recently saw a physio for other pelvic pain, who said that new research is that 60% of surgeries fail, so they don't do them unless they really have to...that was amazing to hear! though i imagine a lot of doctors still operate on 100% of people if they are given the chance...

so hang in there, things will improve!