When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
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Surviving60
September 11, 2016 - 4:24am
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Hi sydmommy and welcome to
Hi sydmommy and welcome to Whole Woman. It is so shocking to me, how casually doctors are still continuing to steer prolapsed women towards hysterectomy......an operation which often causes other organs to prolapse, not to mention a host of other possible side effects. It is our hope that women will do as you have - educate themselves to the point where they will run from this unfortunate advice, and find the truth about prolapse.
If you get down on your hands and knees, and let the organs fall forward into the lower belly, and breathe by expanding your belly (not your chest) on the in-breath, you can get a feel for the dynamics of prolapse management. Your goal will be to maintain these dynamics when you are upright. As Christine says.....we are really like four-legged animals from the hips down. WW posture is not contrived, but rather, it is a return to the natural spinal shape we had as children, before we learned to suck in our gut and flatten our spine. Take a look at how young children carry themselves - belly forward, lovely lower lumbar curvature. It is beautiful and though it can take awhile to regain this habit, it will make you feel totally different.
I would ditch the kegels. I did them religiously for decades, because that was the conventional wisdom of my generation (I'm 66). If they worked, my goodness, I think we'd all know that by now! The bladder issues I think will start to sort themselves out when you get into better posture and toileting positions. You might also want to look to your diet for possible irritants; do you drink a lot of coffee? The cleaner and more unprocessed you can eat, especially getting the sugar out, the better.
Have some patience and faith in your body. A long day of standing is not the worst thing, once you get into posture, because gravity and proper breathing really do help with this. How prolapsed is your uterus? Can you reach it with your finger? You have a 'cele for sure, but if your uterus isn't that low, your doc may be using this to steer you towards eventual surgery. Women doctors anxious to see you sacrifice your uterus, really disturb me. But the less said about her, the better.....at least you have found your way here. You will be fine. I hope you can start to feel that right away, and lose your fear. This work is life-changing! - Surviving
sydmommy
September 11, 2016 - 10:42pm
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Thank you Surviving60. She
Thank you Surviving60. She did tell me that she doesn't recommend surgery just yet, but that I will eventually need it. She says that the surgery is only good for about 10 years, and then after that I would have to have surgery again! But my goodness, if they take my uterus the first time, what is left to do for a second surgery? Just patchwork?? I did initially resign myself to that fact that I would just have to come to grips with it and face surgery at some point. But when I started looking into hysterectomies, and how unsuccessful they are, and then finding this site, I am resolved NOT to have one and to keep my uterus!
Thank you for your replies to my questions. I think I am going to cancel my appt this Wed for the pelvic therapist, and instead wait for my materials and dvd. I have suffered from OAB for over 25 years, I didn't drink coffee for many years, but still suffered from it. I do drink a cup a day now, but I am going to try and switch to decaf and see if that makes a difference as well.
I can't feel the uterus with my finger, maybe I didn't reach in far enough? She had me "bear down" like I had to use the bathroom, and said it comes down halfway when I push. I'm sure something was happening in regards to my cervix/uterus as I felt it move every time I bend down to grab something. Hoping, no praying, that WW will be life changing for me and that things will be looking up for me soon. Thank you for your response, and for your encouragement!!
Surviving60
September 12, 2016 - 5:31am
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sydmommy
The potential problems with hysterectomy are well documented in Christine's work; and there is also an interview with the founder of HERS in the Resources section of the site. Among other things, the loss of the "hub of the wheel" can cause the other organs to prolapse further into the empty space. And the vaginal "vault" that is left behind after hyst can start to collapse and literally turn inside out. This is quite serious so most hyst procedures include tethering the vault to the spine in hopes of avoiding this.
The organs are constantly on the move, and certainly will move if you bear down. If you normally cannot even feel your cervix, well, I don't think most of us would consider that a prolapse. I see nothing in what you have written to make me think you will ever need surgery; furthermore, surgery will destroy the natural dynamics of pelvic organ support and there is no coming back from that. And the "success" rate for repeat procedures is even more dismal. - Surviving
Aging gracefully
September 12, 2016 - 6:20am
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My goodness, it makes me
My goodness, it makes me cringe when I hear once again that a doctor wants a woman to bear down. I actually found my cervix sticking out of me before I found Christine's work, and this doctor wants to do surgery on you when You can't even find your cervix. I find that disgraceful.
Sorry for the rant. I just wanted to say that if this work can help someone like me with a profound uterine prolapse, it can help anyone else even better with lesser prolapses. Once you have started into this work, those dragging feelings will diminish quite a bit, and you will start to notice a much better feeling replacing it. It just takes the time necessary and dedication.
Best wishes.
sydmommy
September 13, 2016 - 11:31am
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Thanks again, ladies. I, too
Thanks again, ladies. I, too, as I think about it, am disturbed that the "only" treatment for my problem, according the OB, is to have a hysterectomy. She said I would need the sacrolopopexy, I think it was called. Said my vagina would be tethered to the left or right side, that sex is usually painful because of that aspect. I have to decided to cancel my appt with the therapist to learn to do the proper "kegels", and am anxiously waiting for my order to arrive so I can get started! Thanks again for the support!!