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granolamom
November 27, 2007 - 11:49am
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right there with you, sue
I hurt my neck in bed sat night (no, not doing wild things with dh, the baby slept on my shoulder!) and by sunday evening, pop goes the cystocele. I know its because my posture is all off, I couldn't keep my head upright without excruciating pain. and its all connected (yes, christine, I DO believe that raising your eyebrows raises your uterus too!).
now that my neck is mostly better I hope the cystocele will retreat to its hiding place.
and like you, sue, I hopped on the treadmill anyway. would've tried the sex thing too if the baby wasn't sleeping on my shoulder....
we will be ok. and yes, lets take this as a reminder that managing this well is a lifelong commitment.
((hugs))
elleninala
November 27, 2007 - 1:16pm
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have you tried...
Bliss Balm (available from WW) for the dryness? It has a pleasant subtle fragrance, is organic, and is quite effective as a lubricant. I find that it allows a bulge that wants to peek, to slip back inside when it can. I rely on it so much that I have put a small amount from the jar into a tiny travel jar and carry it in my purse. Really helps.
Ellen
louiseds
November 27, 2007 - 5:34pm
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have you tried ...
Ditto. Vulva balm is just about as good for this, and Christine tells me it has a mild antiseptic in it as well, just in case there are any nasties on your knickers. Better still, go without knickers for a bit to stop the rubbing and stop the knickers wicking up whatever moisture your vagina/vulva is making for itself, but my guess is the period story is the one. Gets me every time, and at a time of the month when I am experiencing black clouds anyway.
I use so much of this stuff that I have some pairs of knickers that a sanitary napkin will not stick to any more! Time for a hot wash for those to remove the oil.
Have you tried wearing a slip instead of knickers? Synthetic doesn't catch on your clothes like cotton, so just shorten them to mid-thigh so you can still sit on them at the back but get plenty of ventilation. Does the same job as knickers unless you go arse over breakfast in the supermarket and scare the living daylights out of all the shoppers with your pussy fur! But I am a lady (think Little Britain here), and I don't go A over B in the supermarket.
Learn Natural Family Planning and chart your mucous and waking temperature for a bit, then you'll know when you ovulated, then you know that fourteen days later you will menstruate. Voila,works like clockwork when you have a menstrual cycle that still produces ovulation, but holey moley, I wouldn't want to try and make sense of my perimenopausal cycle with it!! My mind plays tricks on me in the second half of my cycle and I forget what day it is, so it is good to have ovulation day marked in my diary. Once you write all this stuff down patterns emerge to do with mood, prolapses, state of cervix, discharges, body sensations etc. Once you know your pattern you know more where you are, and it takes a lot of the worry away, so you can think of higher things (like your place in the universe, and how good sex is and stuff like that).
Good luck Sue
Cheers
Louise
alemama
November 27, 2007 - 5:44pm
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OMG!!!!
Louise you are hilarious. Arse over Breakfast? Where oh where did that phrase come from???? and I won't even comment about frightening shoppers. what a chuckle.
MeMyselfAndI
November 28, 2007 - 2:30am
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:-)
Nothing is out enough to touch knickers (thx god) its just a weird feeling at moment
I am trying desperately to avoid the treadmill - But it is calling meeeeeeeeeee every moment i feel a lil better - But after I get on I wish I hadnt after a few mins lol
I am wondering what you can use if this area needed 'keeping moist' and you didn't have the balm (We are using condoms at moment as he is too flippin stupid to go get fixed and I cannot use pill or whatever)
Ideas?
Vaseline? Hmmmm Is that stuff ok for down there I wonder... Hmmmm
I am getting something so I do not hafta lift my washing or carry it - That is heavy stuff. Trying to think of any reason that might have made this worse as I need it better cos I was really doing well - lol...
Sue
Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/img/maddy544x150Banner.jpg
alemama
November 28, 2007 - 10:59pm
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it's nice to see
You ladies who are so experienced go through this everyonce in a while- it really generates good ideas.
But I am sorry you have to go through this. I hope you feel back to normal soon.
MeMyselfAndI
November 29, 2007 - 2:30am
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Today I am testing to see if
Today I am testing to see if it is the bladder having dropped more - Testing ehether the bump i feel is urethral opening or not. Testing if when we touch ourselves (as I know I am not the only one to do every time we go to pee to check on 'ho it is' if this is making our bodies angry at us)
Also I am testing (once they have all run out lollllllllll) If these tiny satsumas I have been buying to help with constipation (smaller and much more potent and less watery than the larger satsumas i used to buy) satsuma = tangerine? small orange anyways easy to peel etc I have noticed since I have been eating these that I hafta pee alllllllll the time - and it is really annoying - lolololol - Spose orangeyness can do that - Normal oranges do that to me but not normally these satsumas - but as I said these ones are tiny and not as watery as the ones I got last year... Still yummy tho.....
So...
Upon first test i believe I am peeing in front of this lump - Not sure what that means really but on with the science lol
I did not get on my treadmill yesterday (it called me but I didnt listen lol) I go on it for a few mins a day to help my balance with my illness - I try to do this 5 days a week... So to not get on it for a while is freaky...
I have had very very few problems in the past months - 6 maybe more - This is the reason I have written this - To show other women that the ones of us who have had no problems - CAN get problems back and have to find strategies to deal with them etc
Actually talking about myself in this way has not been as easy as I thought it would be (fear of failure maybe?) who knows
But - I am hoping that I can tell this and somebody might gain some information or something out of my utter babble
lol
The fight goes on for normality - lmao
I also found this site interesting - Alot of women (Including me a few years ago) Know very little about what is 'Woman' lol
http://www.coolnurse.com/vagina.htm
Sue
Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/img/maddy544x150Banner.jpg
MeMyselfAndI
November 29, 2007 - 5:39am
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Testing testing 1 2 3 - 4 lol - TMI.....
TMI test results (Test No 4 lol)
I do not believe ths bump holds the urethral opening lol - As if i put my finger on the bumps front edge whilst peeing - I can tell I pee from higher in front straight into my hand - Fun!
But - having had zero satsumas today - the 'piddleitis' feels alot better (I have had tea though which I love (I am British lol) which is also a diuretic)
So.... If this bump is not that (The urethral opening etc) - Must just be the bladder pushing whatever it is down then I spose?
Guess when you get this kinda thing and after you have had babies - All embarrasment fades? Or not as the case may be - lol
Looking at the pics i was sent - Could be a urethrocele...
http://www.netterimages.com/image/3043.htm
Thats 4 different things to contend with then if it is!
Oh joy
Sue
Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/img/maddy544x150Banner.jpg
Soupy
November 29, 2007 - 10:31am
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Oranges are evil
In my opinion anyway! I can always rely on to set off interstitial cystitis symptoms..Just one orange will do it, so I avoid like the plague! And actually I blame the copius amount of OJ and cranberry juice that I used to drink for causing IC in the first place.... Don't know whether I'm allergic to the things or its their acidity or what but anyhooooo, maybe give oranges a break if you notice they're causing frequency?...Apples are good, dried fruit is too...and probiotics may help things?
MeMyselfAndI
December 25, 2007 - 9:28am
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Thanks God
Christmas day and its worse than ever. I feel like crap when I was feeling so very up, it seems to not care about what I do anymore. God knows why. never thought this would happen. Guess this is what you get for feeling too happy about things. You get slapped in the face in a BIG way. Feels like for the past two years I been living a dream and now reality is just making sture life shows me how crud it can really be.
Sue
Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/img/maddy544x150Banner.jpg
alemama
December 26, 2007 - 8:11am
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Hey Sue
Merry Christmas! and for christmas since you have been such a naughty child you get.....A LUMP OF COAL.
I am so sorry you aren't feeling better YET.
What can you do? What options have you not considered yet?
Are you able to do the DVD from Christine? Is sex not working to help move things around a little bit? What if you took a few days and hung out on your elbows and knees? Is the "pessary option" knocking o you door? What about a sea sponge?
It is so scary when this happens-have faith that you will feel better- and maybe try something new.
hope it happens soon.
I will be thinking of you often- so keep us all updated.
louiseds
December 26, 2007 - 10:12pm
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Hug for Sue
Oh Sue (((Sue)))
I am so sorry that this has not resolved. Have you mastered dropping your lower belly? I have found that this is really helpful, though I still have to do it consciously. I don't know that it will ever be automatic. These days posture for me is about lifting the breastbone, hanging tall by the crown of my head and then releasing my lower belly, which is a pleasant, kind of tingly thing to do. It is accompanied by a slight feeling of panic and almost subconscious thoughts about the 'danger' of letting go, but once I have dismissed this stupid thought my pelvic organs drop forward into my belly and it feels much better. If it doesn't drop forward I just lean forward from the hips and jiggle around a bit then stand up again. It is easier to jiggle it all forward when I don't feel dry in my vagina, so keeping up the frequency of sex is useful, as well as using plenty of WW Balm. I find that KY gel dries out too quickly. Must be something to do with my vulva being more open these days and letting the wind whistle around. ;-) No, actually it is more likely to be the menopause thing.
Good luck. Keep trying.
Cheers
Louise
ATS
December 27, 2007 - 9:53am
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(((Sue)))
I really hope that you are able to reverse your condition once again. You are always so upbeat about all this and reversed your condition from a stage 2 to 1 which gave me lots of hope. I really hope to hear from you soon and hopefully it was just a really heavy period on its way. It really picked its time to give you trouble!
Take care and wishing you a Happy New Year.
A
MeMyselfAndI
November 27, 2008 - 1:28am
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So... A year has passed...
So....
A year has gone by - Lotsa things have happened. I don't write as much - But I read :-)
I have to say that in this past year of the Stage 3 - Soooooooo much has happened - And no - MY life didn't end!! - lol
Yes in the beginning I found it hard to get my head around... I lost it for a while there - I am not and never will be too proud to admit my failings :-) I fell to bots for a couple of months - But then I gradually picked self up - And started living again :-)
I hafta say - A year on - Yes I still have a Grade3 - But - It doesn't own me. I am still whole - We (POPpy and I) Now live semi-harmoniously together - lol - Around my period things are a tad more annoying - But only a little bit. Nothing deadly lol - I am still NOT even contemplating any surgery to this body of mine :-) I am still grateful to have been given the knowledge that I hold and use every day. (Thank you Christine)
This past year I have - As some know - Gone through CIN3 and hackerama. Then a boob lump and the black boob post biopy thing - And I mean 2/3 of my boob was black lolol - Both clear - Thank goodness at last check (CIN3 means I hafta have checks for ten years but I am happy with that)
So much has happened - I have made so many new friends and my life is not 'ruled' by my POP - My thoughts are not totally overtaken by it. I like that - I am freed from the every moment of every day worry. I do not wake up every morning thinking 'Will it be OK today'
The reason I write this post is not only to catch up with people I have not spoken to in a while - But for all the newbies who are within the 'OMG' world - Life does go on and things may change - But I still am enjoying it - And have things I enjoy doing and things I have left behind in a way - Mainly because I have found new things - Not because POP ordered it to be so.
My exercise is not the be all and end all of my life. That was 'different' but the POP liked it and now it's had time to sort itself out - I will be bringing new things in - But not have the rigid routine that I did. I felt lost at first - But now I am freed from the grind of it every day and I have time to have a life - lol -
Posture is still obviously a big part of my life. It will always be. That is a great thing. Sonmeone told my daughter the other day ''You will soon have to start standing properly young lady'' I immediately jumped on them and said - MY daughter is NOT and will never be thrown into the BAD posture that many may think is a good thing - MY daughter will live in THE posture - I then explained the posture - And they understood :-) That is a good thing :-)
OK I babble (As usual lol)
I hope that everyone will have a great Christmas and new year - Last year I was in a very bad place - This year - I am ready and I am going to celebrate ALL that I am and the Wholeness that is me :-)
And I wanna thank Christine again - For giving the tools I need to live the life I am :-)
There was this Quote...
'Just when I finally got my head together,my body fell apart'-Anon.
BUT - I would rewrite it to...
'Just when I thought my body had fallen apart - I got my head together' lol
Have a great day gals...
All typos are the doings of another being that is not me - lol
Sometimes youre holding someone else's heart in your hands. You can drop that heart & bruise it. You can squash that heart & hurt it. Or you can stomp on it & totally annihalate it. You stomp on that heart or bruise it. It can forever be changed ♥
saddleup
November 30, 2008 - 8:31pm
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darned cystoceles anyway
Hey, MeMyselfAndI:
Cystocele sympathy from me. This is sometimes a depressing condition. You're cruising along and it comes back to get you. The ups and downs are literal in this condition, aren't they?
I have been doing better, but sometimes I experience a random leakage of urine once or even twice during the day. I can hardly stand my body then, but it's the one I have. I am frustrated and angry at these incidents.
Have you tried doing the WW exercises every day? I am wondering whether it would make much difference if I were to do them consistently over a long time period. I started off doing them more often but it has gone down to once or twice a week, so maybe I need to gear up on the dance exercises.
Technically, I suppose I have a mixture of stress incontinence and urge incontinence, but I think it's Stupid Incontinence because it happens so randomly and without urge or warning.
Does walking/running on the treadmill irritate your little cystocele friend (fiend)? I know that if I wear a tampon my bladder stays nicely in place. I just don't want to do that all the time.
Here's hoping that you return to your previous condiiton of blissful unawareness of your prolapse. We are all here to share our stories, frustrations, and successes.
Saddleup
Mae
December 1, 2008 - 10:23am
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Cystocele Sue
Hi Sue,
I am so sorry your prolapse is acting up. Having just gone through that, after all this time, I can relate to your feelings. My problem was the opposite of constipation, from being on antibiotics, and it played havoc with my prolapse. It was, without a doubt, the worst it has ever been. Very depressing since I had it so under control with the posture, diet, exercise and lubricants. Now, that I am off the antibiotics things have returned to normal...thank goodness!
Like you, I also get that dry feeling when my prolapse starts to peek. I use Christine's Bliss Balm lower and Replens to help the dryness further up. Replens carries some risk, but it is small and worth it to me.
However, I do have to say that since I started on megadoses of vitamin C (thank you Balride), I have hardly had to use any lubricant because (for whatever reason...I'm still not sure I really understand it) my prolapse is higher (still there, but not peeking). When I feel it getting lower, or starting to peek, I pop another Vit. C. I take about 3,000 mgs. a day..sometimes a little more and that seems to work for me. I take that in pill form and try to get lots of C through my diet.
Hope you are doing better soon! You'll get things back to where they were...I just know it!
Warm regards,
~Mae
MeMyselfAndI
December 2, 2008 - 1:18pm
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Misunderstandings
I think my update was misunderstood. lol
I was updating in a year old thread about how things are NOW.
And if you scroll down a few posts you will find that one lol
Basically I said how GREAT things are a year on from 'the fall'
lol
Sometimes youre holding someone else's heart in your hands. You can drop that heart & bruise it. You can squash that heart & hurt it. Or you can stomp on it & totally annihalate it. You stomp on that heart or bruise it. It can forever be changed ♥
Mae
December 2, 2008 - 7:18pm
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Old post..good news Sue!
How nice is that Sue! Just looking at the post, not the date I guess! Good news..glad you are happy and doing well with your POP, my wish for all of us in this sisterhood! (stealing lines from my dear friend Blue again!).
Warm regards,
~Mae