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Christine
July 17, 2007 - 9:05am
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Hallelujah Jane!!!
How wonderful! Will you please keep us posted? I just love our births here and look forward to every single one! I bet your daughters are overjoyed!! I wonder how Ty will take to being the big brother now??? Just can’t wait to hear. Fabulous!!
Lots of love,
Christine
mom30
July 17, 2007 - 10:01am
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Congratulations!!!!!
I hope you have a wonderful pregnancy and a relaxing birth!!!! You have been so inspiring to me these past few years!!!!
granolamom
July 17, 2007 - 3:07pm
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congratulations jane!!!
what wonderful news! I think of you often, as you were of such inspiration to me. wishing you a healthy and joyful pg
fullofgrace
October 21, 2007 - 1:30pm
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27 weeks along
I am 27 weeks along in this pregnancy and I feel like I am in my 33 month of pregnancy. Those hormones that loosen up the pelvis have sure worked early this time. I have a hard time walking after sitting.
As fast as my 3rd labor went, I'm concerned with how lose I feel now. I'm thinking a ten minute labor would be possible (but not desired since the midwives are an hour away.)
Prolapse is stable where it has been and I still have no fears about this labor or pregnancy making anything worse. I'm being wise to not lift too much and I will continue that after the birth until I am certain my body is totally healed from the pregnancy.
Jane
louiseds
October 21, 2007 - 10:21pm
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Congratulations Jane
That's wonderful news. Hope all goes well. You were one of my early inspiring women when I started coming here.
Cheers
Louise
mumwithone
October 21, 2007 - 10:53pm
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Congrats
That's wonderful news Jane. It's so nice to hear you not being concerned over the prolapse with your pregnancy too. And ditto what others have said - your story has helped me feel I could have more children, so I'll be looking forward to hearing all about baby number four.
Christine
October 22, 2007 - 12:00am
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hi jane!
Glad to hear things are going well, if a bit wobbly. Make sure you're getting lots of vitamin C for proper formation of connective tissue. Certainly obstetrics must know exactly how and when relaxin enters and exits the pregnant system...something that would be helpful for the rest of us to understand as well! Take extra care and thank you so much for thinking of us!
:-) Christine
fullofgrace
December 10, 2007 - 9:00pm
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5 weeks to go
Christine,
Vitamin C, calcium and magnesium have been my salvation this pregnancy. They keep heartburn, constipation, and ligament pain at bay. If only they could do something about the muscle pain at the top of my belly and an identical spot in my back.
I am about to go on a search of my old posts to get myself in the right frame of mind for caring for myself as this pregnancy ends.
Jane
mom30
December 10, 2007 - 9:13pm
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Keeping you in my prayers...
so that your last 5 weeks go by quickly.
Candice
Christine
December 11, 2007 - 11:29am
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God bless, dear Jane...
We'll be awaiting news of a January babe. I have total faith in your ability to birth this baby gently into the world.
My husband is on his way to the health food store to buy me calcium, magnesium, and vitamin C...thank you so much for the inspiration! I've been having problems with several ligaments lately, which is apparently related to my androgen deficiency (the little bit of testosterone in our body supports many structures, including our ligaments!) I've been treating myself hormonally for another condition with AMAZING results, but didn't think to supplement with minerals as well. I used to take calcium/mag, but stopped quite awhile ago...guess I thought I was getting enough in my food.
((((((((Jane and baby#4)))))))
Love, Christine
JBee
January 1, 2008 - 4:57pm
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What GREAT news - GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!
Jane
It has been such a long time since I was on here. I have struggled and fought and I think I'm finally winning.....it's been a real battle, I must admit. It's been hard to dare hope that I could dream about having another baby (ds is now 2 1/2) but I know that this is the year I'm going to try. Your news has made me even more determined that it will happen! I'm sooooo delighted for you and wishing you well - hope you have a wonderful, gentle and safe birth for you all.
I panic about losing my womb but I know it's the rectocele and cystocele that give me the most trouble.
Hello to everyone who helped me through the dark and difficult days when I was first "diagnosed"....thank you.
J xxxx
granolamom
January 1, 2008 - 8:48pm
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JBee
welcome back!
good to hear you're finally winning - and considering another baby.
WHOOOHOOOO I looove babies.
JBee
January 7, 2008 - 2:32pm
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Hey thanks......
Granolamom, nice to be back and in the land of the living with prolapse!!!!!
fullofgrace
January 17, 2008 - 1:02pm
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announcing Jessica Ann
There are lots of errors b/c
I typed this on my pocket PC phone.
Announcing Jessica Ann
9# 21 inches January 16,2008
I decided Friday January 11th would be my last day to work. Monday I
cleaned and Tuesday after getting everyone off to school and Ty with
Julie, I went back to bed until noon. It's a good thing and now I'm
wishing I'd have slept longer because it would be 32 hours before I
would sleep again and then that was fragmented.
I lost my mucus plug with bloody show at 7:15 January 15, 2008. I
began to have an anxious feeling and an excitement. I called the
midwives. I went to the bedroom around 9:00 and watched tv until 10,
when Ty came in and went to bed in his pull out bed. At 10:30 I felt
a rubber band snap feeling and it hurt. I had a lot of pain in the
front of my pelvis and it scarred me. I was somewhat afraid of
uterine rupture. I took a bath. I called Nina around 11:15 to ask
her what she thought it was. I had experienced that sensation with
Alyssa & with Ty when his water broke. Still unsure what it was. I
had some sporadic contractions and the pain in the front that was hard
to have alleviated. It seemed movement was spurring them on and I
could handle them by standing up and touching something and thinking open.
By 12:20 I had had 3 strong contractions so I called Nina back to
come. I got the pool set up, tidied up the back bedroom to move the
kids to, and did a few other piddly things while dealing with
contractions. The whole time I felt terribly like I had to have bm.
But the pain got stronger each time I tried. I woke Chad up at 1:15
because I couldn't take the pain. The midwives arrived around 1:30
am. Jill checked me and thought she felt the butt, but it was just
the bag of waters. When Nina checked me my water broke. I felt baby
move down, but the pain still seemed unbearable, even when I pushed.
My legs were weak; I don't know if she was on a nerve, but I had very
little strength in my legs.
The Doppler heart rate dropped to 80 and concern grew. The urge to
push was there but not enough to push her out as quickly as it seemed
would be necessary. Chad called the squad, Katie started to get out
of bed , awaked by my loud exclamations with the pain. The
contractions were rolling one over the other. I could not get comfy.
The squad arrived, but her heart tones had recovered so we stayed. I
was exhausted.
I could not push well enough as she had not dropped far enough and I
was entertaining thoughts of a c/s to end this pain. Her heart rate
dropped again and so we called the squad again. They tried to get me
to blow with the contractions instead of pushing to keep her from
being stressed, but this was almost impossible to do. At some point I
grabbed ahold of hugged Kelley. I needed relief.
I dropped to the floor on my side and found relief for my weak legs.
I could push on my side and I didn't want to get up when it was time
to get on the gurney. The midwives got me up and to it, and I laid on
my side. I then closed my eyes, held on tight, and went into my own
world, pushing like crazy. I didn't open my eyes until I was in labor
and delivery at 2:10 and the nurses were telling me to blow. I didn't
understand why. They were very insistent that I stop pushing. So I
told the nurse I wanted an epidural; she said it was too late, so I
went back to pushing. I now know they wanted me to stop only because
the dr was not yet there. One of the nurses want to put the fetal
monitor in her scalp, which I refused and I agreed to lay still for
the efm belt.
Well I was miraculously able to push her out by 2:35 am while lying on
my back, but there were consequences to this position. Crowning was
worse than it has ever been. I tore slightly up toward my urethra.
My rectum really is sore and I believing God for full restoration.
Thank God that he did not do an episiotomy. However after the fact he
went to put a catheter in and I asked if that was necessary. This
really ticked him off. He sternly said, ''I don't do anything that is
necessary.'' I can't remember if that was before or after he
discovered I was a vbac...
The worse part is that the wisked the baby away from me and I didn't
even get to a good look at her. They did not return her to me for an
hour and a half. They took her to thr nicu where there was no doctor
and they stuck her in a box and let her cry! She only wanted my
breast and would not have dropped her 02 levels if they wouldn't have
let her get so upset.
Her apgars were 8 & 8 so why in the world would she need nicu? It
feels like this was done to punish us for not following mainstream
preactices. Chad followed, they made him sit on a chair outside, and
then they pulled the shade!
Once she was returned to me, I would not go to sleep because I didn't
want anyone trying to take her again. My sister stayed here with me
and I should have slept then.
There was a part of me during this pregnacy that really feared I might
have to transfer. I hope that was a prepatory insight rather than a
self-fullfilling prophecy. However, there was some healing. This
definitely my last chile and birth. I returned to the place of my
first birth where all my power was stripped and I was treated like a
broken machine. This time, I was informed and powerful. I took
charge in the areas that mattered...only regret that we lost that hour
and a half. I disobeyed when necessary (pushing instead of blowing).
And I feel I might have taught some people something.
Unfortunately, not the OB.
He came in around 10:30, while I had guests and asked how I was, said
I had a beautiful daughter, and then his demenor changed as he said
that he was obligated to tell me that what I did was dangerous. I
informed him, pointing to my older children, that I had them at home
and that was far less risky than having 4 c-sections. I really feel
his confrontational admonition in front of my children, parents, and
sister (who all supported my decision to homebirth) was totally
inappropriate and unprofessional. It is interesting to note however
that he is on his second wife who is much younger and they have quite
a number of children. She her last couple of pregnancies have been
full of complications and life threatening and I'm thinking he's
telling me I'm being irresponsible, when he continued to impregnate
his wife, knowing those risks. I'm guessing he has access to birth
controll.
The pediatrician was more professional in his discussion with me about
vitamin K and eye ointment. He shared a recent case (though not
local) about a cerebral hemorage in an 8 day old who had taken oral
vitamin K. I told him I'd consider it.
He did say he wouldn't push the hep b so I was glad about that, since
I'm relatively sure that in the next 10 years she will not being haing
sex or using intravenous drugs and if she does this disease that is
mild and rare in childhood.
I am very sore from my lifegrip on the sides of the guerney during
labor. My palm has a bruise and the muscles in my arms ache.
Jessica has only left me for about 30 minutes since our initial
separation. I am so surprised that none of the nurses stopped me from
sleeping with her. I am going to push for our release today. I hope
to be home by noon (2:00pm is when it actually was) and have chad pick
the girls up early from school.
The maternity nurses have been great. It's nice to be waited on.
However they really interrupted my sleep. I probably got 3 1 hour naps
and 1 2 hour nap during the night.
Thankfully they let us go home a day earlier than they normally would
have.
Jane
ATS
January 17, 2008 - 1:31pm
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CONGRATULATIONS!
Well done Jane. I have been thinking of you and wondered when we would hear news. I am so glad Jessica Ann has arrived safe and sound. The birth doesn't sound like it went exactly to plan and I hope you are recovering well.
Keep us informed.
With best wishes to you and your family.
Anita
MeMyselfAndI
January 17, 2008 - 1:38pm
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CONGRATS
And welcome to the world little one :-)
Take it easy now ya hear
Sue
Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/img/maddy544x150Banner.jpg
alemama
January 17, 2008 - 3:57pm
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Wonderful
Get home soon and get some rest. You did beautifully. Thank you for sharing.
Forestdawn
January 18, 2008 - 10:37am
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Congrats! I'm glad your
Congrats! I'm glad your little one has arrived safe and sound.
mom30
January 18, 2008 - 10:53am
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You did it!!!!
Thank heavens everyone is healthy and safe!!!! Congratulations!!!
kit
January 18, 2008 - 3:19pm
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Congratulations fullofgrace
I really enjoyed reading your birth experience. We should not have to fight so hard to be respected. I applaud your efforts. Jessica Ann will undoubtedly grow up so proud of her strong mother!! Wish I could see her!! Kit
Christine
January 18, 2008 - 11:54pm
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((((Jane and Jessica Ann))))
Dear Jane,
How wonderful that your beautiful baby girl has arrived safe and sound. You made a good decision and you’re right – at least you knew what to expect and there were no surprises. I’m envisioning you both home now and snuggled into bed with the other children hovering about. Hugs and deepest congratulations to both you and Chad…what a lovely family!
Many blessings, Jane
Christine
mumwithone
January 19, 2008 - 1:35am
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Jane
Hi Jane,
Congratulations on the birth of your beautiful baby. I'm sorry to hear the trauma and pain you went through, and the fight you had ahead of you. Thanks for sharing your story though, it shows how important feeling empowered is. I'm glad you were able to avoid the epi and had the strength to push when you felt it necessary! It's inspiring to read about your ability to assert yourself.
Wishing you all well and a wonderful time ahead with the new addition to your family.
granolamom
January 19, 2008 - 7:18pm
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welcome baby Jessica Ann
congratulations Jane! I'm sorry you didn't have the birth you planned and hoped for, but, girl, you are one strong mama! now get some rest and enjoy your sweet family.
love & blessings
granolamom
fullofgrace
January 22, 2008 - 9:02pm
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Thank you for your well-wishes
Thank you everyone for your support. I am so blessed. And Christine your imagining has been my reality for the last week of my children huddled around me when I am holding her. They get their turns too and my 5 year old seems to have the magic touch with her. She just has a knack for cuddling that little baby in a way that makes her content.
Jane
MeMyselfAndI
January 23, 2008 - 1:58am
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Congratulations
Whats her name?
:-)
I am glad everything went well
Sue
Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/img/maddy544x150Banner.jpg
louiseds
January 23, 2008 - 7:01pm
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Congratulations Jane
Wonderful news, Jane. It is so wonderful that the birth all worked out OK. So glad you stood up for what you wanted against pretty stiff odds. We all know they are just protecting their own backsides but the way they do it is by instilling fear and guilt. I wish there was another way when women are reluctantly hospitalised.
Nevertheless your very honest story does show that it isn't always straightforward, but the only way through it is knowledge and good support. As for the obstetrician, well I wonder how many black eyes he has had at the hands of newly delivered mothers? He would have come close to it if it were me. I too had my last baby stolen out of my arms for a couple of hours straight after birth and could not sleep until I went to the Nursery and stole him back and tucked him in bed with me for a few hours blessed sleep until Sergeant Major Midwife interrupted my sleep with a lecture about not sleeping with babies. She came close to a black eye too, save the fact that I was clutching DS2 so tightly I didn't have a free arm to get a good swing. They didn't bother me after that!
Hope all continues to go well. I am sure it will.
Cheers
Louise
fullofgrace
January 26, 2008 - 8:03pm
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Louise
LOL! I'm wishing I would have kicked him in the head and that I would have gotten up and gone down to the nursery myself to get her. I am starting to get emotional with the shift of hormones and feeling really sad that she spent her first hour and a half of life separated from me. I wish we would not have had to have gone to the hospital, but her heart rate was out of my hands and I wanted to be sure she was okay. I am facing some trauma from the way I had to birth on my back.
Jane
louiseds
January 26, 2008 - 10:02pm
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(((Jane)))
Hey, I am not surprised that you are thinking all this stuff. At least neither of us decked the 'health professional' concerned. It must have been a really nasty reality for you to have your fourth labour go pear-shaped after three lovely homebirths. But that is the history of having babies. Historically it has always been a risky process for both Mum and baby, and I think we need to keep that thought in the back of our minds, give thanks when a labour and birth go well, and be prepared to go with the flow a bit when there is a medical-type emergency that threatens life.
I am just so happy that it turned out well for both of you. Prolapses, tears, episiotomies and giving birth on your back are realities to be dealt with once they have happened. Time will heal the trauma, AND you are both alive and well.
Cheers
Louise
Zelda
January 28, 2008 - 10:03pm
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I'm so Glad you shared,
It saddens me that we have to be so damned vigilant when
we really should feel our safest...Take good care and blessings.
I would sure love to smell a new baby. It's been ever so long.
Zelda
nikki4444
January 30, 2008 - 11:30pm
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Congrats
Oh how wonderful. Thanks so much for putting so much detail into your birth story. It was so interesting. And....makes me very proud that you took charge of your birth experience. Like you, makes me remember my 3 births where I too was treated like a cog in the machine. IF I do it again...I will be like you.
p.s. - at my last birth I refused the hep b as well and you would have thought I'd committed treason. LOL
Nikki