Glad to have found this site - I have a cystocele & rectocele

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What a wonderful site. I am a 43 yr. old who had 2 normal vaginal deliveries in the 90's. Suddenly last Sunday I noticed the cystocele. I got up, went to the bathroom, and felt something down there. I thought at first that it was a piece of toilet paper stuck, but took a look with the hand mirror and was very surprised to see a bit of my bladder. So I tried pushing it back in, and it just slipped down again. Wonderful. And then later in the day at the usual time ( I have ALWAYS been very regular with my bowel movements ) went and even though I was straining, nothing was happening. And I could feel a bulge in my vagina. So took another look with mirror and could see the bulge in my vagina from the rectum. OK, I know that straining is a no-no (now , read that on some of the other posts ), but is it normal for these conditions to occur so suddenly? I have an appt. with my gyn. this Thurs. and before I go am trying to inform myself about what has happened to me. I have no idea what course of treatment she will suggest, but I most definitely do not think that surgery is the way to go - at least not yet. Even though I have not been diagnosed yet, I am almost positive that neither the cystocele or the rectocele are THAT bad. I have an added problem that hubby is being transfered to China in April, and I and the children are going to be joining him in Aug. after the school term ends here in Bavaria. So along with all the stress of the upcoming move, now I have to deal with these pelvic problems! So am right now wondering just what course of treatment she will suggest, or more likely she is going to send me off to a specialist and then what will he/she suggest???? Will be ordering the book but it will take a while for it to get to me here in Germany, so am reading through the posts to glean any and all info. I have already learned so much from reading the posts and the FAQ's, but I am just so worried about just what I am going to do!!!!

first take a deep breath
next, try to stop panicking
your dr will most likely diagnose you and recommend either PT, or surgery or estrogen or at least that's what seems to be the most common recommendation I keep hearing about.
a move to china is not going to impede your management of pelvic organ prolapse. because its all within you. try to get your hands on the book asap, and start learning the posture.
that's what's going to be your saving grace. not the medical care you have at your disposal (unless, of course, it isn't a prolapse and is really something that needs medical care).
so what are you going to do?
you sound like a smart and motivated woman. so my guess is, you will start implementing the posture, clean up your diet and avoid constipation like the plague, and heal yourself. could be you will never have a complete reversal of symptoms, but there is good reason to remain hopeful that you will be able to live well with prolapse - and no surgery!
its gonna be ok {{{{hugs}}}}

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Here you will find a lovely bunch of ladies with great advice and support. You have come to the right place.

If you go to the home page under the "FAQs" section you will find a description of the posture so you can start implementing that whilst you wait for your book to arrive.

Come back and post all the questions you may have or even just to have an outpour of emotion.

Take care,

Anita

Thank you both for your replies. I feel so much better, in my mind at least, the "bulges" are still there :), after staying up last night reading the FAQ's and as many of the posts that seemed pertinent. I am still wondering why they, the rectocele and the cystocele, appeared so suddenly? 'Cause there was nothing there last Sat. and then, BAM, last Sunday morning they both were there. As I said, I see my gyn on Thurs. and I have no idea what she will suggest/prescribe, but at least I have from reading the forum and other sites, a better understanding of what is happening to me. Will be dropping in everyday and looking to see what everyone has to say. Thanking you all in advance for your support. And expect the book to arrive in about a week. I found a seller in England that can get it to me within a week. But have already started cleaning up the diet and getting more fiber. And intend to start on the postures today. Thanks again! -Nanciasa

Did you manage to get a copy of the blue cover version? The yellow cover is the old version and the blue one has all the latest most up to date information plus the firebreathing and ballet workout. I ask as I made the same mistake, I ordered mine from a seller on Amazon in the UK but it was the yellow cover.

Your prolapses had probably been there for some time but you were asymptomatic and its just that they have worsened and now they are at the opening you can feel them. I think for most of us its a case of one minute we were fine and felt nothing and then almost overnight we had this strange sensation. I started to notice that during the time of my period it felt like my uterus was about to fall out so I had a rummage around and found my cervix really low. When my period finished I went back to feeling normal so ignored it. Two months later the feeling came back again with my period but this time worse than ever and the feeling did not subside with the end of my period. I FREAKED out, have cried ALOT and then found this site and absorbed as much information as I can. I have since developed a cystocele and rectocele and its been a very emotional time.

Do let us know how you get on with the gyn on Thurs.

Take care,

Anita

Nanciasa,

Just like you I got my prolapses one fine day. I believe in my case it was a last hurrah after a terrible menopause. One day I was fine; next day I had interior balls! I'm 56, and find it's terrible some days and OK others. I find the day after yoga it's better. If I keep my spirits up, I'm good to go. I have never trusted doctors because periodically they try to kill me, so I keep my health to myself.

My son and daughter in law lived in China for nine months. They found the dirt the hardest part of it. They lived in a place called Zibo. My son works for a Belgian Company.

Judy

Things are not as bad as I thought. I do indeed have a cystocele but she says it can be managed with exercise. So she has ordered the bio-feedback device for me that should arrive within 2 weeks. And as expected she suggested that I see a specialist to discuss "Beckenbodenkrankengymnastik" as they call it here in Bavaria. As for the rectocele, well, she only said that the lining is a bit weak and that there is no real problem as of today. And that I should avoid constipation if at all possible and don't strain!!! And of course no heavy lifting. Really, I am feeling so much better after having read the replies that I got here ( Thanks Again! ) and seeing her. So will make an appt. for the PT and hope to get in soon, and then see her, my gyn., in 3 months to see how things are doing. Am still waiting for the book to arrive, and yes, I did order the blue cover, and then I am sure by having the book and being able to communicate with all the wonderful and helpful women on this forum that I will be able to manage the cystocele so that the condition will not worsen.

And how interesting about yr. son and daughter-in-law living in Zibo Judy, for 9 months. Hubby originally had an offer to go to Zibo, but it was withdrawn because the company, hubby works for a German engineering company, has decided not to send anybody there anymore. There were some issues about the quality of life for expatriates in Zibo. So instead we might be going to Changchun. And yes, the dirt IS a problem. We were there in Dec. to see just what is what, and I was amazed, even though I read about it beforehand, how people just spit on the ground. And there are a LOT of people spitting in the streets. And women will just lower their infants/toddlers pants and let them urinate or defecate on the streets!. I suppose that makes sense if the child is not wearing diapers and it is better for the child to go when he/she has to go, but still! Living in northern China will take some getting used to!!!

Oh, and also, my gyn. strongly recommended that I take up yoga and/or Pilates, but she is not allowed to suggest any particular type of yoga. Is anybody currently doing yoga to help strenghthen their "Beckenboden" and if so, what type? Thanks in advance.

-Nanciasa

Nanci,

My son works for a Belgian company that builds Proton Therapy Units. He and his family loved the people in Zibo, but said the dirt was unbelievable. They had trouble with some of the food because cooking it was wok only - high or low. They had nice apartments, but nice in Chinese is pretty poor by US standards.

Not sure of the Changchun area. Travel for them was limited. I know Brendan said he was very grateful for his American passport every day he was there. There were a lot of beggars in Zibo - can be dangerous.

I do Bikram Yoga. I work out three times a week when I can. Right now I am only doing the standing exercises - something Christine said that I'm trying out. I do sweat yoga in 101 degrees. I'm 56, and I can do it fairly well. What Yoga will do for you is increase your core strength, your balance, and your stamina. I notice on the day after yoga that I just feel 100% better than when I don't practice. One yoga practice will bring that insufferable ball up to a manageable position! What I would like to do is Vinyasa yoga for the movement and the increase of body strength, but I need to have more stamina than I have now to do it well. You should look it up on Internet.

Judy

you are a riot
love the comment about getting interior balls. and that dr's periodically try to kill you.
love reading your posts, love your attitude

Hi Nanciasa-
I was diagnosed with the same problem as you just before xmas, but have the added issue of urethra prolapse as well.

As the other ladies have said, there are good days and bad days- I have noticed posture can make a difference if I've been doing my pelvic floor exercises and don't get blocked up. If I have a bad time going to do a #2, then it all feels terrible again. Diet has been key for me on that front- slip into bad habits and I get bottom pain for a week (but this may be a split making the cystocele worse- unless they too are related?). I'm still figuring out what is what, what's hurting/worsening/a symptom etc.

Unfortunately, sex seems to be flaring everything up too. Yoga is a tricky one- I feel great after doing ashtanga, but you have to modify certain poses and not overdo it- I found keeping my legs bent in poses where you have to bend forward helped, as doing the normal poses brought the heavy feeling back! There is an article on this site about modified poses, but be aware you will need to discuss with your yoga teacher so they know why you're doing it differently (mine stopped me in class as didn't understand what I was doing and he thought I was doing a bad pose!)

Exercise does help-but on bad days you just have to hang in there and wait for things to get better. I'm waiting on the Whole Woman book as well to see what else I can learn.
I've been seeing a dietitian to deal with getting everything settled down- an anti-candida diet, supplements, and quitting caffeine (chocolate/tea/coffee), and alcohol has been helping, though having the willpower to stick to it can be tough! My cystocele is irritated by caffeine, sugar and alcohol particularly. Keep an eye on that...Diet and posture/exercise is the only surgery-free option, and if you're anything like me, you don't want to think about surgery!
The women here say things can and do get better over time- mine's so new I'm probably not painting a pretty picture, but its not an easy thing to live with! And I'm hoping that over time with perseverance and determination, that things won't feel so bad.

One thing I would say is if this is getting you down (and I've been veering in and out of bad depression since being diagnosed), make sure you have someone to talk to. Especially if you have the combined issue of moving overseas to China- I moved interstate and found that very isolating and too much when combined with all these physical problems. And make sure hubby knows your limitations...it took mine a while to grasp how profoundly these issues had affected ordinary activity. Lifting laundry, shopping and children can all bring that awful feeling back- only takes a non-thinking second...

Hope this helps- I'm finding it very hard to find information about the urethra issue- its making life a lot harder as it seems to be easily irritated.

Anyway-
good luck!
bluemama.

Thanks, Gmom.

I spent so many sad years during pericrazypause and crazypause, I just cannot return there. Depression is evil. It's about the most destructive thing I can think of. I think it makes this POP think a hundred times worse.

When I read some sad and frustrated posts by some of our ladies, I just die for them. It's so hard to be a fine good woman in a crazy world, and when the odds stack against you in a painful or demoralized position like POP brings on, it's just so easy to give in to it and become so sad. But we are the same sex who forged across not only this country, but countries like Australia, places in Africa, and Asia. We were on those boats and we did our share, plus we gave birth and raised all the kids. This little pelvic hockey puck can't be the downfall of womankind.

I think it's necessary to realize that a "crotch ball" is not ovarian cancer. Sure it's bothersome. I feel mine all day long. I try to find a table to sit on as often as possible, and I do yoga as often as I can because yoga strengthens my body, and I need all the strength that I can muster for the energy and the wit I need to get through my days.

I've only been doing the standing exercises lately, and that seems to have helped!

My heart breaks for those women who believe that a changed vagina makes a woman different. It's not like getting a big wart on the end of your nose or a big unsightly scar. It's a vagina. It's hidden - thank God - and who cares?

The attitude of humor and peace is a necessary thing to assume and to perpetuate simply because we are the stronger sex and the more determined. For those who believe, remember: God did not make woman first; he made man first; then he had to make women to hold up man - that's why he gave HER the rib!

Judy

These are the reminders I need, Judy....I have been trying to keep myself in check and find I keep sinking and bobbing back up...guess it's a process of it all settling in...and then keeping it in perspective...
please continue reminding us!