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ATS
February 27, 2008 - 3:47pm
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Hi jb
Welcome to the forum. I am going to let those here who discovered their prolapse pp give you better advice as mine appeared when my daughter was 14 months old. But from what I have picked up on here is that you have sooo much healing to do yet and things could very well improve a great deal, 2 months pp is so early. Just take this time to rest and be easy on yourself.
There are a few ladies here who use tampons to wedge things up and have success with that, I haven't tried it yet but will at some point.
I am not sure about the exercise pp so will let those more experienced give you better advice.
Once again, welcome and take care of yourself.
Anita
jb
February 27, 2008 - 4:45pm
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Thanks, Anita.
HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL!!!
granolamom
February 27, 2008 - 4:55pm
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things CAN get better
it was my experience that at about 2 mo pp things were at their worst. now I'm back to my pre-pg baseline (I'm 10 mo pp)
running in posture is not necessarily a bad thing. there are some runners on the forum, maybe they will chime in
re: diaphragm....go easy is all I can say. when my mw attempted to fit me, before I found my prolapse, it got stuck and I was instructed to pull and bear down and yank it out. it didn't hurt or anything, but I found my prolapse soon thereafter.
I never ended up using the d@mn thing
stella
February 27, 2008 - 9:01pm
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Hi jb
I would hesitate to start running at 2 months postpartum. I would stick to fast walking for a while.
I find that I can often still run with the prolapse...depending on how I feel that day. I am learning how to hold my body in a way that is less jarring and I run on softer surfaces instead of pavement.
Enjoy your little one!
Mummy_to_three
February 28, 2008 - 2:16pm
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bladder prolapse
Hi jb, I too have a bladder prolapse and cervix prolapse which I found around 2-3wks PP, and I'm now nearly 11wks PP. I second you on being grateful for finding this site, I too came across this site after googling bladder prolapse.
As I have been told by the ladies in here, as well as my doctors, we are both very early PP and there is a lot of healing to do, with a great chance things will get better.
I am feeling a little more positive today, as usually my cervix is very close to the opening...if you know what I mean.
I did my daily check (as I do everyday, can't help it!) and was very surprised to find it had moved back upwards a few centimetres, so not right there bulging, and that was after a day of normal activity, so perhaps there is hope?
I also posted the other day about extremely heavy bleeding, I went to the doctors yesterday after heavy bleeding that had gone on for 3 days (was so heavy I was soaking a pad every hour) And am now on cyklokapron to ease the bleeding as well as antibiotics. Also waiting on an emergency pelvic scan as the doctor said my uterus felt a bit 'boggy' for 11wks PP. I'm wondering if this has any effect on my POP? Who knows?
I'm also seeking help from the maternal mental health unit here to help me through the emotions and depression.
There is hope!!! And yes, for something so common, people just don't talk about POP, but thankyou ladies on this site, you've given me hope and I've only been posting a few days
jb
February 28, 2008 - 3:27pm
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breastfeeding
Hi Mummy,
Are you breastfeeding? I read here that bf-ing moms have really low estrogen levels, and weaning may result in higher estrogen levels and further tightening. Gosh, I hope so! I just want to run and bend and play! Someday, I pray we will, comfortably.
Thanks for sharing your experience, and I am so happy you're getting some lift down there. Please let us know about the bleeding - so glad you're taking care of things.
I am feeling so much better after just talking/typing about this.
I pick up my shiny new diaphragm tomorrow....yippee!
Life is never boring, now is it? Thank goodness we live in a time that allows us to dwell on something like this...I suppose.
alemama
February 28, 2008 - 6:12pm
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please search breastfeeding- and alemama
I have some seriously strong feelings about breastfeeding and the recomendation to stop- check out my posts.
Hey I just wanted to say I'm 17 months pp and I feel great. I can pick up my kids- run in the park- jog with my stroller- grocery shop.....all thing I could not do at all with out serious consequences just 15 months ago. That doesn't mean it isn't still there- or that I don't have really bad days. And I still have mini panic attacks when it flares up. But I can do anything I want to now. I can't say when all this happened- maybe somewhere around a year pp?
You new mamas rest. Give it a year. It gets so much better.
Zelda
February 28, 2008 - 6:59pm
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Please tell me
it's not true... Women are being told that NOT breast-feeding will tighten things up ?
I have such a strong reaction to this kind of advice !!!!!! a sorta really loud violent one.
Having kids is not like finding a piece of a puzzle and now the picture is complete,
where are my running shoes ? AACK !!
I have a reverence for breast-feeding and there is no better way to start a child's life !!
It's healthy on every level and is an important part of getting our bodies back into a healthy
fat ratio. Any Mum concerned about her weight should realize the extra pounds are there
for a REASON, and in my case and most I assume, the weight melts off and about the time
we weaned, I was back to my old weight.
I think I'll just leave it at that. I don't want to start slinging judgement. I guess we all have
our priorities. In my book it's Babies.
Zelda
granolamom
February 28, 2008 - 7:11pm
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breastfeeding and prolapse
a while back there was a mama here who stopped bf at 3 mo? something like that in hopes of speeding along the healing process. based on my interpretation of her posts, I don't think that's what happened. she hasn't posted here in a while, I wonder about her often.
and someone else (alemama? maybe?) made a good point, once your periods return, your estrogen levels should be normal. even if you are bf.
and, estrogen may very well plump up vaginal tissue, but has not been shown to reposition the bladder, uterus or bowel. so I'm still not convinced it will do much for prolapse.
personally, I'm not giving up one day of precious breastfeeding time for the prolapse. the prolapse will wait, but babies grow up so fast. maybe because this little guy is our last, I'm savoring every minute.
jb
February 28, 2008 - 7:21pm
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Breastfeeding
I don't want it to sound like I am considering weaning early to hurry along healing. I love to nurse my sweet little one. I wouldn't trade this expereince for anything (not even a well-positioned bladder). I am just looking ahead, dreaming of a time when I won't be thinking about my vagina & bladder so often.
stella
February 28, 2008 - 7:39pm
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hey Zelda
I was the skinniest I ever was in my life while I was breastfeeding!(I loved it-could eat ANYTHING I wanted)...wasn't until I stopped(3 years each kid!)that I had to watch my weight again...
Oh, and I am also a passionate BF advocate. Keep nursing those babies mamas!
granolamom
February 28, 2008 - 9:36pm
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same here stella
the bf helps me lose the pg-weight, its kinda cool because I drop another few pounds every time the baby goes through a growth spurt. and I've hit all time skinniest when nursing a toddler. this will be the first time weaning while not pg, so we'll see what happens.
I've been pg and/or nursing for the last 10 years so I'm curious to see what will be when this little guy weans, although hopefully that won't be for a while.
Mummy_to_three
February 29, 2008 - 1:19am
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I'm actually no longer feeding baby
just personal reasons but baby is doing well on formula.
I had my scan today, was an internal one. Seems as though everyones had a good look lately...getting annoyed at the poking and prodding. Oh well one does what one must to get herself well again.
My partner is being great has taken time off work to help me out a bit, he's great with our kids, even with baby. I'm thankfull for his help lately, I think it scares him to see me so down and he just wants me happy again
zoeUK
February 29, 2008 - 4:35am
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It gets better :-)
Hi,
Just wanted to (hopefully) reassure you that at 9 months pp I am sooooo much better than I was in the first few weeks and months following my son's birth. No, I am not completely 'right' by any means but some days I have to check I havent got my pessary in at the end of the day as I have no symptoms! Yep at the END of the day too - how cool is that? and if anyone had told me that were possible for me 6 months ago I would have found that hard to believe. Of course hormone fluctuations around period times make things worse and I do have days when I am very grateful my pessary is there if I need it. But the best thing is that I have now finally got my head around it all and the fear is gone. That is very freeing.
Hoping you continue to improve over the coming months and can enjoy your baby as much as possible - they griow so fast dont they! I cant believe my boy is standing now!!!
All the best,
Zoe x
I have a beautiful 9 month old baby boy and a wonderful 3 yr old daughter who make it all worth while :-)
arunnergirl
March 2, 2008 - 8:08am
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Same Boat
I'm in the same boat. I noticed my bulge at 3 weeks pp. My son is now 2 months old and I feel much better than I did. For the first few weeks my cystocele was laying really low and I really thought things were going to fall out. It's now much higher up and only a little uncomfortable. I know it's scary and devastating but just give your body some time to heal. It will get better! I was anxious to start running again after I had my baby but have decided to focus on healing for now. I'm in a running group and it's hard to hear everyone talking about races and training but I know I'm doing what I need to do for myself to heal as much as I can. I'm not sure when I'll run again, but I do plan to get back to the gym next month and start with low to non-impact exercises like swimming, spinning and the elliptical. I'm seeing a urogynocologist this week and am really hoping he can answer some of the questions I have.
jb
March 2, 2008 - 11:45am
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More aware of our bodies???
Hi Arunnergirl,
Thanks for the response. It's so nice to hear from someone in my shoes. I too, am thankful that my symptoms are minimal (yet still makes me feel too 'loose').
I also want to get back to long distance running. I had hopes to use the 18 week training for the Chicago marathon this year to get strong again (and to work towards a pb this time!). Well, that will have to wait. I started running again at 4 weeks (but stopped when I felt my bladder). I could kick myself for causing this, if that's what happened (ALTHOUGH my doc said it was likely there since delivery, but the sweeling in the early weeks masks it until some of the swelling goes down).
My question is, since 1/3 of mothers have some degree of pop, then why do most get to be so blissfully unaware? Are most women less sensitive to their bits? I wish we had that luxury.
A request: please let me know what your urogyne says this week. So far, I've been told that things WILL tighten back up, and doc said to wear my diapragm to makes things feel more snug for now. I've never worn one (it sounds irritating), but I'll try anything for now. Sex still hurts. I hope that improves soon!
louiseds
March 2, 2008 - 8:28pm
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More aware of our bodies?
Hi JB
Hmm, I suspect that some women are less body aware than others, particularly if they don't do exercise, have plenty of helpers to do heavy stuff (so never have to lift heavy stuff), have their lives and homes very well organised so they don't have to lift stuff, never run for buses or sneeze, etc. Some of it may be denial, ie if you have prolapses and just stop doing the things that aggravate it, you can ignore it. Some may be just ignorance, and some of it may be not thinking about anything below the waist. Some women don't have sex, so don't get anxious about what is happening down there.
You are only going to know if your cervix has fallen a little if a doctor tells you. Rectocele can be put down to constipation, cystocele can be put down to just a bit of normal sagging vagina from having babies. Sometimes women can go from being totally unaware one night to waking up feeling fullblown prolapses the following day. What a horrible shock that is! The suddenness would be really scary.
Prolapse is only horrible when you start feeling like your pelvic organs and possibly other organs are going to fall out of your vagina, ie the possibility of disembowelment, an ancient form of torture. You get told it is prolapse by a doctor and he says he can do an operation that fixes it. This now means that you think there is something broken!!
The mind plays terrible tricks, but it is the mind that can heal by getting itself around the possibilities for how you *can* live well with it, avoiding the surgery, amending the posture, fixing the diet, the right exercises, the right clothing styles etc. Then you just get on with it, and do the best you can, weighing up the pros and cons of keeping going with the pros and cons of surgery, and just living your life.
Cheers
Louise
kiki
March 3, 2008 - 2:41pm
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re: improving
Hi JB,
I ust want to reiterate that things can imroe SOOOO much! i had a SEVERE cyst / rect + uterine prolapse at 3 weeks pp and couldn't imagine how it'd get on with life. now, as long as i really look after me, i don't notice it too much and i'm used to what i do notice. i was told the first year PP gives you tons of space to improve and is when the greatest healing can happen, and possibly more when you stop feeding whenver that is, though since my physio said it's most just that things are a bit less vulnerable after that (we'll see what happens when i get there).
i had a lot of improvement up until around 1 year, and in the last few months it's stabilised (babe is 14 months). the only thing i'd say is that i would REALLY REALLY look after your body in this coming year. i decided that my year was all about healing me, and focused on that. we cancelled travel plans, i didn't lift anything i could avoid (most things!), walked as i could, and really rested. and it's paid off. so i'd really say, baby yourself and don't push it too much.
i don't know about a diaphram, i'd wonder if it might further stretch things out? The other thing I'd say is that it might mask your body telling you what it needs. if you are holding everything up you may not feel it when it says "i need a break! stop running!". only now do i feel confident enough in my limits to occasionally hold things in when i know i might need to, but i know my limits. and even then, i'm grateful for the reminder my body gives me when i push them, so don't hold things in often.
re the unawareness--i know a few mums who has been diagnoses with POPs that maybe they had fora while, who knows. they either didn't have symptoms or the symptoms were put down to other things, or they assumed the symptoms were just how your body is after a baby, even years later. my POPs could not be ignored, but they were severe. i imagine a lot are very mild...
kiki