Firebreathing/pelvic diaphragm

hi blue
first, welcome to the site. I'm sorry I didn't jump on the welcome wagon in response to your first post, things were hectic here and I couldn't keep up with the thread. but WELCOME : )

it took me a long time to get the hang of firebreathing. I'm sure I was doing it all wrong initially. the thing is, if you are paying attention, I doubt you will do permanent damage even if you firebreath 'wrong'. if things feel worse, stop, rest, give it a few days and try again differently the next time.
and yes, I have that 'drawing in sensation'

regarding your second question, I wouldn't say you're beyond the point where you'll be able to benefit. obviously no one can promise you anything, but remember that everything in there is connected. so if you're 'grabbing' onto ligaments, fascia, whatever, it has the potential to pull on whatever is below it (uterus, bladder, etc).

I say give it a go. the posture stabilized my prolapse but the firebreathing actually pulled things up a bit. not all the way, but a bit. I'm past the point of hoping to go back to 'the way it was' so that's enough for me.

ask a million questions if you need to, this stuff is hard to grasp for many of us.

Hi Blue

When I was reading Granolamoms very sensible post I was thinking about putting on my cotton fishing trousers which stop me from getting sunburnt legs when I am sitting in our boat fishing. These old, cheap, cotton, men's, lacky waist trousers, which I wear over my bathing suit, are way too big for me in the waist and have floppy elastic, but I can get them on and off quickly and easily when I am wet. They stay up OK when I hitch them up over my slippery bathers and pull my t-shirt down over the top. When my bathers are wet underneath they stay up even better, cos they get wet and cling.

Where is this going, I hear you say?

When I am putting them on they will not stay up until they are pulled right up and kept there with a t-shirt. Otherwise they just slip down again. I think this is what happens with pelvic organs. The better, higher, more forward position they are in, the better the fit is, and the more likely they are to stay higher. There is simply more to hold them up when they are higher, rather than when they are lower. That's my theory anyway.

Cheers

Louise

Hi Blue,

I saw your post a bit earlier – before dinner – and came back to see granolamom had taken the words from my mouth (keyboard from my hands?) What she said is my experience as well – now. Previously, I was not very religious about doing the firebreathing, but used it more as a rescue remedy when my prolapse was very low.

As I’ve mentioned earlier, I have expanded the firebreathing into a terrific little program – about 40 minutes worth of something that I think will stand as a decent women’s yoga. Although I have called for a new women’s yoga, it was never my intention to develop one, but with this inspiration came the sense that I was uniquely qualified to teach it. After offering it to the public for about three weeks now (I have only had a few takers as it happens at 6:45 each weekday and my only advert is a sign in my window) I can report that my prolapse is now a Steady stage 2. We are talking about a surgically induced condition that has been at or near stage three (sounds a lot like Louise’s) for fifteen years. I feel confident that some percentage of women – particularly those like gmom who have seen results with level I firebreathing – will see dramatic results with this. And it is highly enjoyable – the acid test for me is that I do it on the weekends too. I promise I will get it onto dvd asap. I am trying to talk dh and dd into creating “meditative” music for it, which has been the source of quite a few jokes from them. They are both fabulous, spontaneous musicians though and I know if I locked them in the studio with drums and flutes they would come up with something really powerful – they just don’t know it yet.

About my expressions…I know I’m right where it counts…but sometimes have to scratch my head at my “creative” descriptions – sorry! All I can hope is that, like you said, it might be the very thing someone out there will hear. At least I’ve tried to describe things a million ways – lol.

About any of this being damaging…

Get down onto your hands and knees so that you feel your organs drop into their natural positions in the hollow of your relaxed lower belly. Prolapses are completely protected from the forces of intraabdominal pressure in this “quadrupedal” posture and you have no trouble sensing this reality. The challenge of our greatest grandmothers was to stand up while keeping the pelvis in this very position. And they did it! It is our greatest inheritance, yet one we have squandered away.

Nothing we do at Whole Woman takes us far from this extreme stability. We are simply doing things that move the organs toward the positions they are in while on hands and knees. What is truly stressful – and ultimately damaging – is doing the opposite: lying on your back, sucking in your stomach, and kegeling with all your might.

I cannot describe the firebreathing better than I have in the book. Read it again until you understand – I have no doubt that you will.

(((hugs)))

Christine

In the book it says that firebreathing should not be done by people with ulcers, heart conditions, or hypertension.

Why is this?

What if you have these conditions, but they're as yet undiagnosed? What effect would the firebreathing have on these conditions?

Thanks for any light you can shed on this!

Beejay

Hi Beejay,

Because the firebreathing strongly raises- and strongly lowers - intraabdominal pressure, which could be risky for people in fragile health.

Please check the program out with your doctor before beginning - that's the best we can do.

:) Christine

Okay, thanks, Christine. Maybe I'll chat to the doctor first, to make sure.

Beejay

you wrote:

" I feel confident that some percentage of women – particularly those like gmom who have seen results with level I firebreathing – will see dramatic results with this"

HOW am I supposed to hold myself back from hopping on a plane after reading that????
our next family vacation just might have to be to the WW center......

Nori and gbaby can play in her sandbox while we firebreathe and do the dance workout! :)

You are so very welcome, Blue...and omg...evr sinc dh took on a construction company as client we are, at home, all about GEET-R-DUN!!!

YA-HO-O-O-O!!!!!

is there a good you-tube clip of firebreathing? i could find something, but want the WW stamp of approval on it. I found some yoga fast breathing clips, but mostly circus instructional videos...I'm pretty sure singeing off my eyebrows and burning my nose will not help my undersides.

I am loving this site, ladies. I love the warmth, creativity, and sisterhood I feel here. Glad to be welcome.

:)

I did a quick search and couldn't find any clips of this exercise. there's a good description of it in the book (the second edition)

I love this site too : )