SALTWATER BATHS AND PERI BALM

Hi Christine,

I was very interested to hear about your balm sucking your prolapse up a bit after you used it inside. I'm not sure I understand how you got it up high enough to do that. I find that unless I get it up high, as I do with the Replens because of the applicator, it does me no good as far as keeping things somewhat up there. I am hoping you have figured out, or will figure out, how to get the balm high up there because, of course, that would be the answer to the Replens problem. That would be wonderful!

It is amazing to me how being well moisturized helps so much with the prolapse. Well, at least it does for me. I hope to find a solution to this problem because it is going to be very difficult for me give up the moisturizer and walk around with my prolapse hanging out when I don't have to.

Have a wonderful rest of the weekend and thank you once again for being there for us!

Warmest regards,

Mae

I'd love to learn more of the 'inside scoop' when it comes to the positive applications of using the peribalm up high on the vaginal mucosa.

__"...these ingredients are all highly balancing to the female system."__

Is that 'balancing' as far as the vaginal ph is concerned, Christine?

I was wondering, too, is it a given within the vagina, that any applied balms, creams, etc. are eventually expelled along with the natural sloughing of dead skin cells?

Gosh, as for the internal application of peribalm helping suck up your organs a bit, however it's explained, how lovely that must be! Unlike Mae, I haven't experienced that to any degree with the R, really, but then I've only had a few occasions to use it so far, what with an unexpected period dropping by after so long gone (go figure ;).

Anyhow, I am looking forward to watching this topic thread along the Whole Woman way.

Grand weekend to all!

~♥Blue

I have been using the Bliss Balm after my shower inside and it helps my prolapse feel better. It doesn't rub and get irritated. I don't have to worry about not being able to get it high enough because I can reach my cervix no problem still - I say this because I am 8 months postpardum and after my first baby it kept rising until eventually I couldn't feel it anymore (don't know how long that took but I am hoping for the same this time).

is good inside too.
had a day when I needed something and it was all I had on hand.
I did wear a cloth pantiliner that day, just incase it got runny on me, but it didn't.

Hi Wholewomen

Funny you should comment on that Christine. I was indeed driving along on a long journey on Thursday contemplating this very thing.

I was thinking about how I sometimes have only rectocele, sometimes only cystocele, sometimes uterocele (yep I just invented that one - 7 less keystrokes than uterine prolapse!), when clearly I have all three. How does this happen?

I figure that the vagina has a lot of convolutions, ie it would be very long if stretched out. This means that it has a large surface area. When the vagina is dryish the vaginal walls are less squishy (Replens has demonstrated this to me.) and the posterior and anterior walls would kind of cling on to each other's horizontal ridges, kind of lock on to each other, instead of sliding past each other (up and down), as we move. If the bladder is pushed backwards it will pull the upper anterior vaginal wall downwards as it moves backwards and down, into prolapsed position. Because of the 'sucking on to each other' effect, it is likely to pull the posterior wall down with it and make the posterior wall more convoluted at the bottom, or if there is damage to the fascia between the vagina and rectum, the posterior wall will bulge out into the vagina, and the rectum behind it will follow. Voila, rectocele!

Logically, the reverse could happen with the rectocele bulging out into the vagina and the posterior wall dragging the anterior wall downwards and making room for the bladder to fall backwards into the space that is there if the anterior wall bulges into the vagina.

I imagine this second scenario could happen when the uterus is retroverted and the cervix 'moves' from the anterior vaginal wall, up over the top of the vaginal vault and ends up pointing forwards on the posterior wall (pointing towards the front abdominal wall). This would cause more convolutions on the posterior wall (more gathers) which would cause stresses in the fascia separating the vagina and rectum. Eventually this fascia could simply be torn apart because there is more surface on the vaginal side of the fascia than on the rectal side. This would leave a pouch that the rectum would bulge into. Then the posterior vaginal wall would pull the anterior vaginal wall downwards, cos they are locked together by the convolutions.

Put Replens (a plumper-upper) or Bliss Balm or any other lubricant into the vagina and the vaginal walls should slide over each other more easily and not pull each other downwards.

The dryness might be lactation-related, menopause-related or even second half of cycle-related. Maybe this is another reason to take it easy re extra intraabdominal pressure from big, uncontrolled exertion in the second half of the menstrual cycle, and ensure that we use a lubricant if we do have to do heavy stuff in that second half of the cycle.

Likewise, the vaginal fascia are probably quite well lubricated by the lochia for the first few weeks after giving birth, and still quite loose, but the vagina gets drier after that, until the return to oestrus. This may be why postpartum prolapse tends to appear in the second month after birth?

The end point of all this is that the best way to deep your prolapse symptoms less is to throw those organs forwards. The second important thing to do is to encourage girls to go with the changes that come with puberty and be proudly female, loving the shape of their new bodies and keeping their organs forward. Teach them to love their new little bellies and carry their new baby feeders proudly.

How? In world with sexual overtones everywhere they look? That is where we just have to do it as best we can, both by modelling it ourselves and helping girls to come to grips with their new adult bodies and their sexuality, as they explore these new boy-girl relationships / friendships in the following few years.

Whoo! That was heavy. But does it make sense???

Louise