so if one bit improves...and nauli

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Hi all,
I've been having a thought based on alemama's breathing, which you said really helped one of your prolapses.
here's my question. i fell like my prolapses are keeping each other in check. they hold each other in, and keep my uterus in place.
if i press my rectocele in, my bladder tumbles forward, and vice versa.

so...if you do this exercise which really improves one, won't the other just come tumbling down?
or doesn't it work that way...
i know that things have improved massively, but fairly evenly. i'm just worried about one reversing more than the other, as you mentioned...

maybe silly, but thoughts?

thanks
kiki

yes. when my cystocele resolved the rectocele felt worse. I couldn't decide what would be best- to have both and have them stay at current size or get rid of one to only have the other grow-
So what actually happened in the end was that I was able to focus on the muscles surrounding the rectocele when I was doing the Nauli breathing. I figured out a way to kegel and target those muscles while I was doing the Nauli breathing. And I could feel my rectocele bulge being pulled in and I could feel the muscles around the weak area getting stronger- and my brain figured out how isolate those muscles.
Then I had a period (for the first time in 6 years) and used the sport tampons I heard about here- and when it was over 4 days later the rectocele bulge was the smallest it had ever been. I decided it was because it was supported by the tampon (well actually pushed back to level) for those days and nights. I was worried about what my cystocele would do since I could not fire-breathe or nauli breathe- but it was fine- still gone- anterior wall still very firm- cervix high.
My rectocele stayed almost non-existent until recently-(so for 3 or 4 months I could not even find a bulge- just a weakness in one spot on the back wall)
but now I am 3 months pregnant with #4 and notice it more....

Hi Kiki

Yes quite a few Members have found this. Christine calls it 'nature's pessary'. It has come up quite a few times. Try searching the term. I, for one, would not want my uterus removed from this equation, and it was one of the factors in my refusing a hysterectomy four years ago. Christine also talks about the connected bags of 'jello' that are our pelvic organs. Try searching jello as well, and you will see why they act as one floppy bathplug!

As the uterus becomes smaller towards menopause, I guess the reduction in size may contribute naturally to the commonly held belief that prolapse worsens in perimenopause and menopause. For a woman who is not using WW posture and other techniques this may be significant enough to turn a minor prolapse problem into a life-altering problem. However, WW posture made so much positive difference to me that any uterus shrinkage effect was insignificant. Having said that, the worsening of my prolapses that sent me on my journey to find Wholewoman and sent me to the gyno in the first place did in fact happen during perimenopause!

The other thing that happens, I think is that your body will reach a stable point eventually, when the pubic bone becomes once again the stable support for all the pelvic organs because the organs are no longer damaging their own fascial supports by hanging over an abyss exerting constant downward pressure on their fascial jacket and no longer stretching and tearing it further. See Christine's Blog entry "We are all third degree ...". My prolapses have definitely stabilised over the last 12-18 months or so, and I have been doing a lot of heavy exertion since then, all in WW posture, so I am sure they would have worsened further if they were going to. Instead, they seem to be causing me less and less symptoms.

Cheers

Louise

thanks for the thoughts. my worry isn't so much the uterus, but really my rect or cyst getting worse. i think that dealing with that would take a huge amount of time / thought / energy, which i don't have right now. Just out of curiosity Alemama (congrats!!!), as your rect started improving, did the cyst get worse again ie a back / forth, or have they both improved?

once the cystocele stayed up all day for days and days it never came back down (or maybe I just was ahead of it) even when I had a period and even for the last three months while I have been unable to do Nauli or Fire-breathe. I figure it is only a matter of time before it makes it's decent- hopefully my uterus will pop forward before that happens and I won't have to deal with it until late pregnancy.
But the rectocele felt much worse. I decided in the end it was not actually bigger - just felt worse since it was unsupported by the anterior all. but then it got better- and to the point of being just a small weak point along the back wall-
to return in all it's former glory in the last few months :)