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Mae
December 19, 2008 - 3:59pm
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Guess it just happens to me Christine...
...and my prolapse must have nothing to do with the pain I experience. Since I haven't heard back from anyone with prolapse saying they have the same kind of thing happen to them, I guess I have to assume the doctor was right and it must be a fibroid on my uterus causing my pain. Amazing to me because the doctor was just making an "educated" guess, I've never read about anything like this...I just have to wonder how I can be so unique!!! Any thoughts Christine??
Regards,
~Mae
alemama
December 19, 2008 - 10:21pm
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my guess
really have no clue here....I would guess it doesn't have anything to do with your bladder-
since the pain is like a labor pain and occurs right after uterine contraction (orgasm) and you actually feel it in the uterus- I would guess it has something to do with the uterus. Maybe it happens as the uterus is releasing the contraction from the orgasm? I like the fibroid idea- makes since to me.
I once had the worst pain after orgasm- the uterine cramping brought me to my knees and there I stayed while my dh offered to call 911- I rode it out for about 5 minutes and then it was over. I was covered in sweat and not in a good way. It was soon after my first baby was born and I was concerned that I was going to have that happen every time after orgasm. But it never did-
I have had abdominal pain after orgasm pre family when I was ovulating- pretty severe- but always one sided and I figured it was just my ovaries bugging me-
I always had pain in my ovaries during ovulation when I ran track- and jarring motion would bring it on- but again I only felt it in my ovary area-
What about if you have an orgasm with out having sex? Do you still get the cramping?
I wonder what would happen if you supported your uterus during orgasm- or put pressure on it-
oh and my advice? have more orgasms- see what happens- maybe it only happens with the first one- kinda like in labor how some contractions actually hurt and others don't hurt at all and sometimes even feel good.
alemama
December 19, 2008 - 10:48pm
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found a bunch of stuff
when I googled orgasm fibroid pain
numerous messageboard posts about it- one study-
fibroids and adhesions are suspected-
I read one where the lady had tons of tiny ones - had them removed and solved the problem.
So ya- fibroid.
one thing I read that helped some women was to take advil before sex-
maybe drinking RRL tea would help- or nettles. maybe a hot pack to apply right away-
now I wonder if I have one....I had wondered anyway b.c this pregnancy my uterus was so large so early and I knew it was not twins (just a feeling in my bones) and when that happens fibroid can be suspected-
I wonder if I have had one just growing since the first baby was born? Maybe that would explain the intense afterpains I had after the third birth.
Christine
December 20, 2008 - 12:50pm
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this is great, Alemama
I think these are some great leads, Mae. Now...if only we can persuade researchers to look more seriously into why fibroids grow. I've seen several recent papers suggesting they grow as a result of an imbalance (overabundance) of luteinizing hormone - the precursor to our sex steroids. This is an important finding, because it is possible that the same chaotic whorls of fibrous tissue that becomes a uterine fibroid share similar processes with the chaotic tangles of brain tissue that result in Alzheimer's. When our ovaries shut way down at menopause, the feedback loop with LH is opened and levels of this hormone skyrocket. Some of us don't have strong adrenals to help reset the balance. There are many more women with ALZ than men. xC.
Mae
December 29, 2008 - 9:41pm
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Fibroid Alemama
Thanks Alemama. I finally just got a chance to Google some information about my problem. It does look like a fibroid issue. I can't believe how many people have this problem. I never researched it because I was counting on the thing shrinking and the pain going away after menopause, which, as you know, did not happen. The pain started just as I was beginning menopause, about 5 years ago. The only other option, it seems, is to have surgery to remove it. Again we're talking surgery...not something I am anxious to do. Wish I could find an alternative that works.
To answer your question about the pain without sex...yes. It happens every time I have an orgasm. I am one of those lucky (well, lucky before the pain thing started!) people who can have an orgasm while I'm sleeping. I know I've had one because the pain wakes me up. Now, if I could just remember the dream...LOL!
Let's hope you don't have a fibroid. Hope you are still managing to rest with the holidays.
BTW, what is RRL tea and nettles?
Off topic here, but I think you'll find this interesting. She is fine now, but we spent the better part of yesterday at the Emergency room with our DD who is 5 months pregnant with her first child. They thought she had a kidney stone but ended up deciding it was a ruptured cyst because there was no blood in her urine and her kidneys were not swollen. She was in agony for hours. By the time the doctor saw her she was much better and rated her pain as a 2 on a scale of 1-10. He wanted to give her morphine for the pain!!! I was shocked. She refused if of course, but I was amazed that they would do that. He said it doesn't hurt the fetus...I still can't believe it. I need to Google that too!
Again thanks for your input...I'll try the tea and nettles if I can figure out what they are. The Advil is a good idea as well and easy enough to try.
Regards,
~Mae
louiseds
December 30, 2008 - 3:54am
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Spasms
Hi Mae
I'm back! Noiw these spasms of yours. It sounds like there has been quite a discussion. I'll add in another possible factor.
When I was having infertility treatment I was having DH's semen injected directly into my uterus via a catheter thingy. I would get the same sort of cramping every time. Yow! The doctor explained that the seminal fluid going into the uterus can aggravate the uterus, ie it tries to get it out by contracting. Normally, during coitus, it is only the little sperm that swim up through the cervix. However, if you have a whopping great orgasm one of the things the cervix does is yawn open. Maybe your cervix is yawning bigger, whether as a result of prolapse or menopause changes, and some seminal fluid is getting in there too. No doubt the fibroid is another irritant. Add it all up and the straw breaks the camel's back. I do hope you can work out how to stop the pain.
Just be careful what you pray for next time!
And yes, the infertility treatment was successful!
The things we put ourselves through, eh?
Cheers
Louise
Mae
December 31, 2008 - 8:15am
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Louise!
Well welcome back Louise! I was begiing to worry about you..I have no idea where you have been, but I was beginning to think you were never coming back! Ha! Should have known better!
Interesting thought about the pain I have after an orgasm. I think you are right. It is probably a combination of things..prolapse, fibroid, menopause, possibly the semen factor...bundle it all and my poor uterus can't take one more thing...like an orgasm! LOL!
I feel pretty lucky though. I researched this and it's pretty common. However, the intense pain and duration of it that some people have is very severe. Mine lasts for a few minutes and then lets up. Nothing I can't live with, but I'd sure like to make it better if I can.
At any rate, I am glad you are back and I wish you and yours in Oz there, a very Happy and Healthy New Year!
Regards,
~Mae
AnneH
January 9, 2009 - 4:00pm
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Mae, I agree with that
Mae, I agree with that doctor. I don't see how morphine could hurt the fetus. Morphine is a CNS depressant, it's two great dangers are overdosing (which can kill you by suppressing your breathing) and addiction. Other than that it is a very safe drug. Well I suppose you could develop an allergy to it in which case it would be toxic to you. But I have never heard of morphine or any other opioid being harmful to a fetus or causing a birth defect. I am talking about ONE time use, not addiction!!! As long as she doesn't take a fatal dose, which would stop her breathing and in turn kill the baby, then the baby will be fine. Her blood will continue to oxygenate him, and at any rate at 5 months he's already developed past the stage where he'd have thalidomide style birth defects. A much greater danger to a baby is to have the mother stressed out because of excruciating pain. This can drive up her blood pressure which can lead to deadly consequences to both mother and baby. In my opinion she should have taken the morphine.
Mae
January 9, 2009 - 4:15pm
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Thanks AnneH
Wow! That interesting AnneH. It took them hours to get to her about the morphine so by the time they did, she had come through the worst of it and didn't want it. The first thing they did when she got to the hospital was to check out the baby and that took some time. Then she had to wait around to see a doctor...not good. She was in excruciating pain for quite a while and I am sure it had to stress the baby as well. Everything is fine now, knock wood and hopefully that won't happen again. Thanks for the info about the morphine. I was shocked when they wanted to give it to her, but that was because of my ignorance about the drug as I've since learned.
Regards,
~Mae
AnneH
January 9, 2009 - 5:06pm
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If the worst of the pain had
If the worst of the pain had already passed by the time they offered it, then I too would have turned it down. There is always risk to any drug, if nothing else, than that the nurse will give the wrong drug or screw up the dosage. It's always a risk vs benefit decision. I'm so sorry she had to go through this. That's the last sort of thing you need to deal with when you're pregnant.