Christine: sort of off topic

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Christine,
I had a disturbing situation upon waking this morning before I was out of bed of fecal incontinence. I went to the restroom and the bm sounded like urine. I've been having bouts of constipation and then diarhea for the past months. I'm wondering if this is all tied to the apendectomy. I am still nursing, but I have had about 4 cycles and am currently 1 week late (I am not pregnant). But I'm trying to figure out how the intenstines are situated in relation to the uterus and ovaries. I can feel the food moving through my intensines and it is often very uncomfortable and it did seem that right before I'd start the diarhea would be loose. Could that be hormonal? Or scar tissue? Could scar tissue from the appendix area connect to the uterine area? Thank you for any ideas you can offer. I have never been one to have chronic digestive problems and I am hoping this is not a new norm for me... Thanks for your help.
jane

Dear Jane,

I am so sorry to hear this and it is not off-topic at all, for generations of women have had their appendix removed as a "prophylactic" adjunct to hysterectomy. This procedure is based upon the fact that more people die from a ruptured appendix than from the preventative surgery to remove it. However, no one talks about the "morbidity" of the operation - something that you are now all too familiar with. I am certainly not suggesting yours wasn't a necessary surgery, for it sounds like you were very ill, but there is much in the literature to suggest that it is reasonable to wait a bit - with antibiotics running - to see if the inflammation subsides and the condition clears on its own. There are many things that can cause inflammation of the appendix, for it is an organ with strong immune properties. Sometimes the layers of immune cells become too dense, causing obstruction, and other times it may be a tiny piece of fecal matter that gets stuck. These problems are amenable to change - but the usual response is immediate and rapid surgery.

The reason why adhesions are such a huge problem for many, if not most, post-surgery people is because the fascial layers that surround the abdomen and pelvis also have immune properties and continue to be active after everything is cut and stitched neatly into place. The tissue actually grows and moves to surround the site of injury - but unfortunately causing all sorts of havoc in the process - including chronic pain and intestinal blockage. Alternating bouts of constipation and diarrhea are classic signs of obstruction, but it could be any number of other things - I have no way of knowing.

If it were me, Jane, I would explore the world of energy medicine. I don't know what's available to you in Ohio, but I live in the land of "alternative" and we have access to some pretty amazing modalities created by people who have been practicing with such things as polarity and cranial-sacral therapy since the early seventies. We hear remarkable stories from real people in our community. This, of course, is where I believe medicine of the future is going. We will always need surgical specialties, but they should be reserved as the very last course of treatment and our care givers should know and have access to all the things that might turn around an acute situation, instead of forcing patients to live with the consequences of a rapid surgical response.

You are in my prayers.

xChristine

...this isn't to say you shouldn't consult a gastroenterologist as well. It's just that we need doctors and hospitals that heal and we will not get there without the other side of medicine, which is energetically focused and holistically oriented. C.

Thank you Christine. I hope to never ever have to have another surgery again! My appendix had ruptured so I am assuming it was necessary to remove it??? And at any rate it's gone. :) I appreciate the prayers as that is what I am leaning on at this point. I will do a search about the energy medicine. I know there is an "alternative" doctor a few miles from my house that a neighbor of my parents went to do. She helped this woman cure her gall bladder attacks. I am really going to focus on diet at this point. I have been making sure to get mainly organic fruits and veggies when possible. I'll be going through your diet book as well. Thanks you again for all of your support.
Jane

I have been trying 1 heaping teaspoon of psyllium husk in water every night before bed for the past 2 weeks. I cannot believe how much it has helped. Even the soft diarrhea, it almost just makes it like a good gel. I bought a can at Giant Eagle for $10 and it doesn't have anything else in it.

I am not constipated usually, I usually have very soft/diarrhea. But, it seems to regulate everything.

Christine and all,
I have still been struggling with the issue I posted in November. I have been to my GP 4 times, a gastroenterologist 3 times,had parasite & anti-biotic resistant bacterial stool testing, was on a dairy-free diet for 4 weeks (dropped 10 pounds,) & had two scopes. I currently weigh what I did in high school because I have lost 22 pounds during this ordeal. 5-8 pounds more would probably put me underweight. I had three separate periods of about a week each where my mouth was full of sores, my right tonsil hurt terribly to swallow, and I had a "catch" feeling in my throat that hurt even when I was only swallowing water. For the five days surrounding Christmas, I had a fever with all this and felt terribly ill. Most of the time I would have a "spasm" hit me 8-10 times a day across my mid-belly about an inch or two above the belly button, that would last about a minute, but sometimes was blinding pain. This would occur whether I ate, was hungry, or even sleeping. Needless to say, I have been worried about my health. A few times I thought I must have a fatal illness. All of my family (husband & 4 children--twice the baby missed out on it,tnankfully) has gotten a stomach virus 3 times during that time as well. I'm pretty sure I caught it three times as well, but since I had already been having issues, I guess I can't be sure.

During all of this, I would remind myself to pull into the posture when the pain would cause me to want to double over. When I was having the pain swallowing, I would sit up straighter and it would offer some relief. When the mid-belly pain hit, I'd straighten up and think positive and it would release some. Several people have commented to me wanting to know how I sit like that b/c it would hurt their back. I can't imagine slouching anymore. I have no trouble anymore getting urine out from the cycstocele and my cervix is definitely higher. The rectocele is still the main issue as when bm fill the pocket it creates an elimination problem for the hemroids. However, I no longer have any pain from it when I am sitting.

The results of the scope came back with a mild hiatal hernia and inflammation in the esophagus so he prescribed prevacid for 3 months. I am absolutely positive that the posture has kept this from being more problematic. I believe the posture allows all the organs to be positioned where they are meant to be.

He took biopsies as well and they came back "blunted" so he thought perhaps I might have celiac disease. However, the blood panel came back negative. He doesn't want to see me for 8 weeks and he wants me to eat gluten free during that time. (I'm concerned about this because of the weight loss I've been having and since I am cutting out even more food from diet, 8 weeks is a long time.) I have so many questions and I feel like I keep bugging his medical assistant, but she will be getting a call again on Monday. :)

I am very concerned about this as a diagnosis since I have 4 children & it can be hereditary. There is a possibility that my father's aunt's daughter (his 1st cousin) and my father's sister's son (his nephew) have celiac. I rarely see either of them so I can't confirm this. I am considering requesting a DNA test to see if I carry the genes for this since I had conflicting test results. I want to be sure we are barking up the right tree. If I don't carry the gene, it is highly unlikely that blunting is being caused by gluten. If I do, then I guess I'll fall into the category of those who have celiac without a positive blood panel.
Jane

I've just finished my seven days of Flagyl for the constant soft/grainy/sticky stools. I saw a gastroenterologist and she referred me to the colorectal surgeon. They gave me a ct scan of my whole middle(i guess) and said all looked fine. She thought it may be an outlet dysfunction, but I kept insisting that it is a consistency problem. So, I called her and said 'maybe it's parasites or something' and she prescribed the Flagyl for me along with Align, a probiotic. I've been off the antibiotic for a few days, and haven't had a yuck episode 'yet'. I actually feel constipated a little even though I've been going every day. I feel this right between my ribs at the bottom of them.

I too, was tested for celiac but they told me I didn't have it either. How is your hair? Mine is very thin since I've been having these issues. I've mentioned it to the doctors, but they really don't seem to know what it is.

So far, I've stopped the psyllium husk because it wasn't seeming to help anymore. So, I've just been using the Align that the dr told me to take (btw, I live in Cleveland, so have been to all Cleveland Clinic doctors) and the doctor told me to eat Activia yogurt every day. (which I thought was kind of ridiculous, but now I guess I'll give it a try)

I know the feeling, I can feel the food move though me too. I always feel like I have to go, and can go, but it's sooo sticky that I usually end up with hemorroids, swelling, bleeding, etc. But, if it was just a normal consistency, I would be just fine.

Sorry I've written so much here, I'm just trying to figure everything out as best as I can.

It is so frustrating to have something going on and not to be able to get answers. I haven't noticed any changes with my hair. When you were tested for celiac, did they run the blood panel and do an endoscopy? I'm not convinced that those two are accurate either way since my blood said ok and the biopsy didn't. I'm probably going to insist on the genetic test to be certain.

I ate fries for the first time in a few weeks and a milkshake last night and now I am paying for it. I'm not sure if it is the milk or the fries that did it. But I've cut so many things out and I was starving! I am in Ohio, too, east of columbus. I would think Cleveland clinic dr. could figure it out.

I am probably going to cut out dairy now as well (never did do much of it, except yogurt, but since gluten was out, I had to sub something). I did the activia, despite the fact that I usually make my own yogurt. I worry about the high fructose syrup in it. Sometimes I think that hurts my stomach. I'd recommend stony field farms because if you get the vanilla it uses sugar and you could do even better and just get the plain and add your own fruit to it to cut out the sugar. There is a great website you can find by searching for world's healthiest foods. I think I am going to start making some of the recipes he has (he has great recipes for fruits and veggies). It looks like most of what he does is gluten & dairy free, though that's not his goal and he doesn't advocate one food over another. He has a chart of what foods are nutritionally the best in terms of their nutrient content and the calories they contain. He suggests eating fruit with every meal and or as snacks and having two vegetables at supper to get started.

I have wondered if I have been struggling with yeast after all the antibiotic treatment. I was on flagyl twice during my ordeal last year and levaquin. There was a third one as well, but can't remember its name. I don't know how yeast is diagnosed. Did they ever do a stool a sample for the possibility of parasites or did they just treat you like you did?
Jane

I am worried about you. I have been thinking over your "medical mystery" and so far I have a few ideas but nothing great. I had my husband read over this thread and we talked about it a bit. Things just don't seem to be measuring up.
Since you have erosion of your esophagus I suspect there is something serious going on. You might insist on a few different tests. I know you have had an upper GI scope- but there are many more diagnostic tools out there. I would not allow any further treatment until you have more information. The meds you name are nothing I would want to use with out exact scientific diagnosis. They can mess you up and mask further symptoms of disease.
I would look especially at the lining of your stomach, your gallbladder function, and check for bacteria like h. pylori.
Sometimes a surgery (such as your appendectomy) can trigger strange reactions in the body. And to be totally honest you could have picked up something in the hospital they are just not seeing. You said you have not had digestive problems your whole life so I doubt seriously that it is celiac- and I have a few mom friends who's kids have been dealing with that intolerance since birth. Gluten probably aggravates what ever is going on right now-as well as dairy- but don't let that convince you that they are the cause of the problem.
Schedule more tests.
Look up gastritis on the internet.
Look at herbal support- high doses of betacarotene, vitamin C, and camomile may help alleviate symptoms.
As for the weight loss- I know it is a problem. I can only suggest at this point trying to expend less energy throughout the day to try to conserve.
If I have any brilliant ideas I'll post again. Until then know that I am thinking about you and hope you can get an answer soon. This has gone on too long.

Thanks very much for the steer to the website re the world's healthiest foods.
I found there the info. I was wanting as to foods that may promote collagen:
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=fightdz&dbid=6
And much more useful stuff on the home page to explore - though I find the sound effects a bit disturbing.
I too am struggling to make sense of combined POP + bloating, reflux etc etc. Am wondering if a ring pessary can make bloating worse.
Lots of sympathy and good wishes, Alix.

Oh Jane, this just sounds awful! I am sorry you are so ill.
I agree with alemama--you need to keep the doctors looking. it does sounds like more than a food issue, but...
i was insanely ill for about 7 years starting when i was 21, during a period of extreme stress at Uni. I'd never had stomach issues before. after 7 years of off / on horrible stomach problems and then bladder infection like symtpoms, anxiety etc, i stopped eating gluten and bam, i felt like me again.
So, it can show up at birth (did in my kids) but also can not show up until much later when the body is under stress. Also, one of my children tested negative for coeliac int eh blood test, but is clearly allergic to gluten--so they diagnosed him with a delayed gluten allergy (strikes 12 - 24 hours after eating).

see how you feel w/o it...
re not losing weight on gluten free, when i first started gluten free i did lose weight as i just didn't eat as i didn' tknow what to eat. now i bake a lot, and there are so many g/f foods out there so i have to watch what i eat! do you have a whole foods near you? not cheap, but good choices foods (jealousy oozes--what you get in europe is horrible in comparison). great bread (usually in fridge) (trader jo's does it too), pamela's cookies, tinkiyada pastas--all good stuff (but not cheap). so i bake a lot! especially muffins, as they are easy, fill me up, and are so healthy. if you want one or two recipes email me and i'll send them to you. but i know--another thing to do if you aren't feeling well!

i hope you find an answer soon. it's horrible not knowing what is wrong.
take care of yourself
kiki

For me, they just did the blood test. Since it came back okay, it ended there. The other dr just gave me the Flagyl without doing a stool sample. I have been taking the Align from Walgreens that the dr told me to take. It was around $30 for a months supply, but I do think it has helped. Worth a try, anyway. I just placed an order for something called Intestinal Freedom. It's supposed to get rid of parasites. My dh used to go to an alternative doctor(Dr. John Baron) and he told him to take it everyday. (he died so I can't go to him now.)

I wouldn't doubt that the intestinal flora has been unbalanced from the stress of all this. So, I figure it can't hurt. By the way, if I eat fries and a milkshake I feel it the next day too. I have the constant spasm feeling too. Mine radiates over to my upper left side from the middle.

alemama thank you for your concern. I will look up the things you have suggested. Work was so crazy with extra things today that I didn't get a chance to call the office. I think I am going to insist on the genetic test for celiac so I can get more of a handle on the diagnosis and press for more information about what was going on in esophagus to make him prescribe prevacid. I wasn't too concerned about that because my sister and mother both have issues. However, I noticed no persistent heartburn. I only had the three separate, limited episodes I described earlier that could have been related to that. Would he have seen my stomach lining with the scope? It will have been 3 weeks since the scope and I have actually maintained my weight over that period. Ironically, I started feeling better right before the scope. I am definitely not normal, but the daily pain, mouth sores, and aversion to food is gone. I am grateful for that.
Jane

KIki, thanks for your reply. How careful are you about avoiding gluten? It seems eating out will never be a possiblity again. I was peeling the hamburgers of the bun and I'm reading a celiac website where the people are worried about a crouton crumb falling into the lettuce that they will be eating. I do not want to have severe reactions to it like that. I wonder if going gluten free then makes you more susceptible when you come in contact with it.

My aunt who is 5'9" got very ill in her late twenties and dropped to 115 pounds-- scary thin. She suffered for about six months and no tests showed anything, except 1 that said she had a virus. I have been wondering if I have just contracted a virus that has messed me up. I read on one site that the villi can be blunted by viral infections.

I just have a hard time accepting that with a negative blood test that I have celiac, which is why I want the genetic test. My Kroger grocery has a section gluten free stuff and I bought some flours--not a big fan of the garbanzo bean flour. :) However, I made homemade brownies from a betty crocker cookbook and put rice flour in it and they were pretty good. Not the healthiest, but I LOVE brownies on occasion :)
Jane

mom30, I wonder why no stool sample. It seems you'd want to know they were there and then retest after treatment to see if they were gone. Though I have read sometimes it takes many samples to be able to find them. I wish you luck in finding your answers too. It stinks to be in limbo.

Alix,
I'm glad you found the site useful. I ordered the book (it's huge and I believe everything it in can be found on the site), and love looking through it.

I'm going to have to quit reading and typing here and get back to grading essays. Good night all. I'll try to check back on the weekend.
Jane