When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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mom30
May 7, 2009 - 6:00am
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My sister had one and they
My sister had one and they just removed it in the office. She said it hurt a little but went home and was fine right after.
louiseds
May 7, 2009 - 7:34am
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Polly the possible polyp
Hi Dollie
What makes them think you have a polyp?
Were they adamant that the (may possibly have a) polyp was the cause of the bleeding? Are there other possible causes for the bleeding that they either did not investigate, or did investigate and ruled out?
If it was the polyp, then it might happen again. Is that a problem for you? What is the worst bleeding that can happen?
If it was not the polyp, then what is the problem with doing nothing? Just cos it is there doesn't automatically mean it will cause something bad to happen. Can they just monitor it?
These are the sort of questions you must ask them before you make the decision yea or nay.
Of course you do not have to have it done. You are the buyer. They are the sellers. You are paying, and have to live with your body.
If they have *evidence* that the (possible) polyp *will* cause you problems in the future, then in your position I would have the procedure and have it and any others removed.
If the polyp *might* cause problems, what sort of problems might it cause, and are they life threatening?
If the polyp *will not* cause problems, why remove it?
It sounds to me like you do not want the procedure, and would like some reassurance from us that you can say no. Of course you can say no, but you need to ensure that it is a decision made with the best information available. You also need to be clear whether you are just dreading the procedure, or whether you are worried about being physically damaged by the procedure. Once is grit your teeth for half an hour. The other is longer term problems that you might have to deal with for the rest of your life. I would do some googling to find out what the risks are, then ask the doctor the same question. It may just be the thought of it that is putting you off a helpful procedure.
Cheers
Louise
dollie
May 7, 2009 - 9:34am
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polyp
hi louise..
thanks for your response..no they arent positive that it is a polyp that caused the bleeding as nothing has shown up on the scans..or internal examinations...the bleeding i had was a few months back and it was only light spotting after i had a wee when i wiped myself and when i went to see my gp he gave me some ovestine cream to use.. it was on a further visit to the gp who found i had a cystocele..i was then referred to gynea at the hospital.. after finding this site and reading all the info i decided against a repair so they are leaving that alone as it isnt troublesome...i have had scans and a lot of internals and nothing has been found apart from me having a thickening lining of my womb which is quite normal in a post menopausel woman...i havent had any bleeding for months now apart from after the biopsy 3weeks ago and i was told to expect that.....however after all the poking and prodding over the last 3months i am suffering badly with vulval pain which has only started in the last couple of weeks...and this is causing me a great deal of stress with the pain and discomfort...i have read up on the risks of having the hysteroscopy altho the risks are rare theres still risks..i did note from the many sites i visited that not all polyps need treatment..i have had a good look on the net and my next course of action is going to see my gp to get some answers to a list of questions..
dollie
bellydancer2
May 7, 2009 - 4:08pm
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polyp
Hi, I had a unexplained bleeding and was found to have a polyp which I then had removed. I had a hysteroscopy. Do not worry, it was really nothing at all, I was dreading it, but it really was ok. The hysteroscopy was not even particularly uncomfortable, and I could see the polyp on the computer screen, and they removed it very quickly and easily, it did not hurt at all. Personally I was glad to get rid of it as i did not want to run the risk of it turning cancerous. This procedure was all done in a few minutes, certainly not longer than 20-30 mins. I had a tiny bit of spotting for a day. That was it, and no further problems since and no worrying that its still growing in there.I hope this reassures you.
Regards
bellydancer2
dollie
May 8, 2009 - 5:26am
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benign polyp
hi belly dancer...well the thing is they dont know if i have a polyp or not they want to have a look and if there is they will remove it..im having no indications or symptoms of their even being a polyp....it is very rare that a benign polyp can turn cancerous..also there is a high chance that the polyp can grow back..so am going along the lines of saying no thankyou to the hysteroscopy..
dollie
dollie
May 8, 2009 - 5:33am
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polyp
well im back from the doctors which was fun as all the computers were down...and im really no further forward..she has no idea why i am so sore.. she did look and said it was a bit inflamed so she suggested that i go to the gynea clinic to have it looked at..i said i didnt want to as ive been poked and prodded for 3months now an ive had enough as the gynea doctors seem to be looking for something which isnt there....so she gave me some steriod cream to see if that helps..so ive to use it for 2weeks and go back and see her..i hope to god it does clear up as its driving me mad....she did mention that it could be Lichen sclerosis..will have to read up on that in a bit..re the so called possible polyp op....i said i saw no reason to have it as they arent even sure there is a polyp..and im have no ill effects to even show there might be one..ie bleeding and vaginal discharge etc....she did see my reasoning and said it was up to me but if anything happens in the future i would have to take responsibilty...so now i have to write to the consultant to tell him i am not having the hysteroscopy...
louiseds
May 8, 2009 - 11:18am
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Who does she think she is kidding?
Hi Dollie
Re "but if anything happens in the future i would have to take responsibilty", um, yeah, so who else would take responsibility??
And if you do have the op and anything happens in the future, I suppose they will take responsibility?? In ya dreams! And who will be left coping with the symptoms then? The doctors? I don't think so! You will once again be left with that responsibility.
This is why we all have to very carefully assess any treatment proposed for dis-ease of any sort, and make the best possible decision, based on the best information.
Ultimately, there is only one person who can be held responsible for treatment meted out. That is the person who accepts the offer of treatment for their body, and ultimately wears this body in better or worse shape, to the grave.
Signed,
The Cynic
dollie
May 10, 2009 - 11:02am
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lichen sclerosus
thats very true louise i never looked at it in that way...
after extensive research re the have i or havent i a polyp i have written to the consultant telling him im not going to have the operation for them to see if i have or havent one......i did a search for lichen sclerosus and there is a site which has a lot of info on ..
http://www.lichensclerosus.org
the steriod cream the gp prescribed for me seems to be making a slight difference..thing is i cant remember what its suppose to feel like down there lol...
dollie
May 21, 2009 - 6:19am
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at last i have had a diagnosis from my doctor
after months of examinations and numourous visits poking and prodding by too many doctors i have at last had a diagnosis from my doctor, i have Atrophic vaginitis, not lichen schlerosis...my cystecele seems to under control by regularly doing the pelvic excercises...due to already having a thickening lining of my womb and a possible (they are only guessing i have one) benign polyp (i have refused to have the hysteroscopy)...i have been told that i cannot use the ovestin cream as it could lead to endermetrial cancer..i was told to stop using this cream a couple of months ago and since then my Atrophic vaginitisis has got a lot worse..so i have been given some moisturising cream Replens.. also a aenasthetic cream for the pain for the vulval area....i spray my vaginal area with water before i wee and also after as this helps stop the stinging sensation...is there anyone who has Atrophic vaginitis have any tips for relieving this discomfort...
Christine
May 21, 2009 - 12:27pm
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vulvar, anal dystrophy
Hi Dollie,
I have this too as do Chattylady and many others on this site. This is THE common condition of menopause, which I expect was traditionally treated by wise-woman herbalists. There is no doubt gynecology has never gotten its arms around it.
From my perspective, vulvar dystrophy is a disorder caused by imbalances in our antioxidant hormones - estrogen and testosterone - and powerfully pro-oxidant and pro-inflammatory molecules that are released during the metabolism of luteinizing hormone. LH levels are tightly controlled during our cycling years and completely out of control menopausally. Men have their own version of this, which often strikes in their 20s to 40s and involves their penis, foreskin and urethra. Women have symptoms throughout their vulva, clitoris and anus.
There are two anal scent glands (at the four and eight o’clock positions about 1/2 inch inside) and if you are having intense anal itching you can discover that it is centered at these glands. These glands must be supported by estrogen (although I cannot find one scientific paper on the subject). The itching is very morbid and can lead to a lot of injury in this area. Anal cancer almost always arises from these glands and is most prevalent in post-menopausal women. It is critical that we find safe and effective treatments for vulvar/anal dystrophy because these cancers are on the rise. There are no reasonable pharmaceuticals available.
We are certainly working on the problem, which you can find out about at www.seedcraft.com. We will have to find ways to distribute this very good medicine however, because it is becoming more and more difficult to legally sell anything natural and effective for a “medical” problem.
Hugs,
Christine
Davi (not verified)
May 22, 2009 - 3:07am
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Mercenary
Dear Christine
I realise you feel you are a revolutionary and also that you feel you have the right to say what you want on 'your' website, but your scare tactics are beyond a doubt self-serving and self-righteous.
There are young girls reading your posts, young mothers just entering the prime of their child-bearing lives, youngsters that need not be exposed as callously as you have done, to the many frightening physiological changes that their bodies might undergo. Sure, teach them, educate them, but shock them, nay I think not!
Anal and cancer are not two words that you casually throw into a conversation anytime. Moral people should consider their audience and approach them with caution and humility.
Your menopausal symptoms are rearing their ugly heads and I can assuredly say that your mind is in a turmoil regarding longevity, quality of life and replacing your hormones. Pregnenolone was just the beginning. Before long you will be taking estrogen as if your life depended on it.
How the mighty fall.
- Davina
alemama
May 22, 2009 - 7:53am
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information
Davi. As a young mother and a woman with pelvic organ prolapse I have to disagree with the premise that we as group would be shocked by a whole lot of anything. The "gate keeper" mentality is very hard to break through but I think we have done that here on the forum.
One of the hardest parts of learning about pop in the early postpartum days is the realization that pop is so common and yet most of us have never heard of it before we end up with it.
As consumers we all have to be wise. We have to listen to what others have to say and then weigh those things against our own understanding and independent research.
If we publicly disagree, then we need to represent our research (or intuitive feelings) for others to look at and either accept or reject.
Outright defamation of character is unnecessary and doesn't help anything. This most current post titled "mercenary" is just strange to me. I'd like to understand where all the anger is coming from.
Davina, I hope you can find some healing for your soul and that you feel better soon.
alemama
May 22, 2009 - 8:12am
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comfort measures
Dollie. I am glad that you have finally found a diagnosis- and sorry that you have to deal with this. Early postpartum I made wonderful herbal infusion that I used to soak in as well as rinse with instead of using plain water. I kept it in the fridge and just refilled my irri-bottle every morning. See if you can get a sitz bath kit-and soak your bottom once a day in this infusion.
It was Comfry leaf, Yarrow leaf, Uva Ursi, Sea Salt, tea tree oil, and garlic.
Recently a friend was diagnosed with bacterial vaginosis- she did the research on the antibiotic given to her and decided she didn't want to take it (it is a known carcinogen) I made her some of my "tea" and the infection cleared right up.
You can search "Replens" here - it has mixed reviews. Sounds like your body doesn't really like most creams- perhaps you could lubricate with some natural oils? I like neem, olive, coconut, and almond.
dollie
May 28, 2009 - 4:29am
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i agree
in full agreement there alemama..we all need facts and views of each other..and also support..i have found this site to carry all this and even more...i have learned more from this site than what all the 7 different doctors ive seen have said to me...yes some of it is scary..but there is always someone on here that understands as they are going thru the same sort of problems...and slating someone off just because you didnt like their comments is not very tasteful...