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louiseds
July 26, 2009 - 10:47pm
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The text book
Hi AnneH
I quite agree about the stupidity of choosing the retroverted uterus. However, it seems many women have this, including me until a couple of years ago, and many MRI's and physical exams will pick it up, so let's not pretend it is irrelevant for doctors to be shown it. Doctors seem to think it is normal enough, but they think it may be problematic. I suspect that it is only problematic because it is a result of artificial posture and it is the artificial posture that produces the problem, not the retroversion of the uterus. I think the retroverted uterus is just the canary in the mine, but there may be women who have good WW posture who still have a retroverted uterus. Who knows? There are all sorts of variations of normal body organ arrangements. It was a couple of years of WW before my uterus flipped over into correct position after being identified as retroverted way back about 30 years ago, before I had my babies.
The stupid thing is that the scan is done lying down but the image has been turned through 90 degrees to look like it is vertical. It just shows how little *understanding* they have of the body they are scanning, even if they can identify everything they can see on the scan. It is the scan they are studying, not the body that the scan represents at that point in time.
I am sure it would be quite different if she was scanned standing. I have swapped emails with Dr John DeLancey on this very subject. He tells me that it would be better standing, but they don't do it because they lose clarity in the resulting images, so they can't get as much or as good data from the images. Once again, it depends what you are looking for. He is not looking for difference between organ orientation vertical vs horizontal. We are!
Cheers
Louise
AnneH
July 27, 2009 - 10:33pm
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I agree it makes sense that
I agree it makes sense that if they want clarity -looking for tumors, etc., they want the better image. But if they are studying the arrangement of organs for... for example... doing prolapse surgery, for that matter, they do the surgery with you lying down too. No wonder so many women feel wrong afterwards. I don't see how they possibly put things together any sort of right way.
louiseds
July 28, 2009 - 1:53am
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No wonder so many women don't feel right after surgery
That has been my thinking too. Once you start to understand how the female pelvic region works, it isn't rocket science to understand that, even if they could make women 'like new' (which they cannot!), they are doing it the wrong way up, and I cannot see how they could do it any differently. While they continue to call these procedures repairs, they will continue the lies. They are not repairs. They do not put a woman's organs back where they should be. They are redesigns and reconfigurations, which make a woman's pelvic region different from how it ever was before.
If they succeed, it is probably more by good luck than anything else. I guess it is all relative. It also depends on what the woman was experiencing before the 'repairs'.
L
AnneH
July 28, 2009 - 12:24pm
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Well put!
"They are not repairs. They do not put a woman's organs back where they should be. They are redesigns and reconfigurations, which make a woman's pelvic region different from how it ever was before."
You said it perfectly. Now, these surgeons aren't stupid. Surgery is very much like engineering. I'm sure they're aware of gravity and the fact that the organs need support in the vertical direction. This is considered as they make attachments to various things (sacrum, etc.) However, what results is never what we had to begin with, especially in the case of hysterectomy.
I wonder why they don't design a prosthetic uterus. If you must have hysterectomy due to cancer, or other non-prolapse reasons, instead of sewing the uterosacral ligaments to the vaginal apex, for example, why not install a well designed prosthesis, to provide the same "key" function the uterus does?
alemama
July 28, 2009 - 1:04pm
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which would be brilliant
except they don't acknowledge the function of the uterus beyond reproduction (they don't even acknowledge it's role in orgasm).
AnneH
July 28, 2009 - 1:19pm
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I know. I had an argument
I know. I had an argument with my (male) gyno on that point which I finally won by stating that I could FEEL it. Ha ha ha ha....
Christine
July 28, 2009 - 1:55pm
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from Christine's iPhone
(waiting at tax & rev)
Drs aren't stupid but theyre very ignorant of true pelvic anatomy. Not one of their ops succeeds in preserving natural vaginal axis - which is Everything.
:) C
AnneH
July 28, 2009 - 4:30pm
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I don't see how they could
I don't see how they could know true pelvic anatomy when their educational dissections are on cadavers and surgeries are on prone women.
iphone eh? I should get one of those.
louiseds
July 28, 2009 - 9:59pm
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Perhaps ...
... it is because they can only relate to women who are lying back 'praying for mother England'...