UK's Embarrassing Bodies TV programme

Greetings, Little Me,

I write from middlesex. Thank you for posting this; I will certainly try to get a relevant comment on the Embarrassing Bodies Ch.4 website.
Hope lots of others do this, too, all guns blazing. (I know well what it's like to be 'silenced' when attempting to talk to the media!)

Regards to you :-)

Good on ya, LittleMe. I can only endorse your action and encourage others to follow. It is the only way women can respond to this sort of thing, other than contacting your social network and telling them about Wholewoman. I can only think that the production of these programs is sponsored by the providers of surgical services, so I am not surprised that your comment was not published. Blogs are like that. You can accept or reject responses to your blog, depending on whether or not the responders agree with your position or not. The power of the media, eh?

Jam their inbox!!!

Louise

ps If they get enough responses endorsing Wholewoman they may make another program featuring Wholewoman. Now that's being optimistic!

When i first transcribed a whole show while it was playig to this forum - I tried writing on their forum and they delete anything they deem 'unnaceptable'

We had one of their representatives on this forum once - Who very quickly left when they realised this is not the best place to come to gather guinea pigs.

It is a shame they refuse to allow any view other than their closed minded one that advocates surgery for all ills (I am not saying surgery in itself is bad - But as you know - For this issue we feel differently)

They refuse to hear the voice of reason and they gain followers by putting scary stuff on TV and NOT showing the after effects - They did surgery on one woman who said after she couldn't get a tampon in as was so small (or something it was a while ago) But - I am assuming her husband wouldn't get the chance of any sex afterwards then!

It is sad..... I wish that when women went to see their doctor the FIRST port of call would be for them to be pointed towards this site and Christines book. But it seems that they would rather make themselves seem like the savior of all ills.

I tried posting on their site so many times...... But never once saw my post there :-(

Hello to all the UK people :-)

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I recently went to see a naturopathic doctor, she works for a very reputable clinic. I mentioned the rectocele/prolapsed rectum that has plagued me for 10 years. She said she would get in touch with a lady who specalized in natural aid for the problems of womens internal organs, I also mentioned Whole Women and gave her a brief outline of the goal. Yesterday she phoned me and told me her fiend said the only cure for my problem was surgery and she had been on Whole Women forum and most of the women on there had no authority or experience in telling women how to "fix" their problems without surgery and most of them were "Wack Jobs". So I politely said goodbye and vowed I would never go back to see her again, closed minded people, who are also opinionated, tend to piss me off. Chester.

So we are all wack jobs eh.......

See - It's people like that that make women feel he only answer for any problem is in the hands of a surgeon.

Oh I would sooooooooooo Love to see that person on this site and see how she replies to what we have to say!!!

I mean - How many women are part of this site? How many women are dealing with POPs and have no intention to go the surgical route.

I had a grade 3 POP - Now it is safely back inside and not bothering me anymore!!! Yeah it's still there - But - How many women have surgery and it is still there and their whole life is then ruled by their POP and what they can and can't do?????

Oh - That women should come here and we can tell her a thing or three

Plus - Christine has studied this in depth for years - She used to be a nurse if I remember correctly!!!

The only wack job I see is the wacky person who spouted nonsense to you!

LOL

When you think about it - How many people were considered wack jobs - Then when they find out that they speak the truth they are a Guru.... Well we all live the truth - We don' need to be told the surgery rubbish. I have had my POP for 21 years even though it had no name back then..... The past 7 years I knew what it was..... Have had good times and back - But am in a very good place now - Better than I ever was.......

So am I a wack job? or am I just someone who is living - and living WELL with Prolapse?

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Hi All,

Just wondering how many of you wonderful ladies have had success with going back to your docs and them seeing the proof that this stuff works by seeing the huge improvement in your pops?

The only way for them to change is probably to see it. So the more of us that discard the rubbish they tell us but do go back for follow up exams the more likely we might help motivate change in the system.

Kathy2124

This sort of mindset is very common and part of the fears I've wrestled with from the inception of this work. Thank goodness we've reached a critical mass so that I won't be easily hauled off by the urogynecology police, something that gave me nightmares for years. This is why when a woman comes back again and again saying, "I've tried everything and none of it is making a difference and I fear my prolapse is getting worse! etc. etc.", that I feel I must respond "Then maybe you'd be happier with surgery - please go see your doctor yada yada". It is a mixed-up world when the people offering true Healthcare are perceived as lunatic fringe and the ones offering disease-care are held in highest esteem. Deep breath. The times they are a changin'.

Hi Chester,

Ooh, I have never been called a Wack Job before! I don't know whether to take it as a compliment or an insult. I think I shall choose the former, because I and others challenge the status quo, and must have upset somebody's faulty world view. Hopefully, the person whose world view was challenged will continue to think about what we said.

Of course we have no authority. We don't pretend to have authority over anybody. Women are perfectly capable of exercising any judgement they need to make, for themselves! We do not need authority.

We don't have the experience in telling women what to do to fix their problems either. We don't fix anything. We only know what has worked for us, and share it with others, making suggestions with things they could try. We don't give guarantees either.

Sorry you found yourself down this unproductive path. I am sure that all naturopathic doctors are not like this one. Thanks for sharing the story though!
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Hi Kathy2124,

I have never found doctors to be that interested in the fact that my POPs no longer bother me. If they examine me lying down, which is what they want to do, they will find no difference, or even a worsening on early exams, but my comfort levels are much better, and I do not feel the pressure or fullness when my pelvic floor should be uncomfortable under load. This is because I still have the POPs, but I now know how to manage them well in everyday activities.

I think they are only interested in women who want them to provide a solution, which I do not. I have honestly never had a doctor want to intervene when I have expressed the fact that my POPs do not bother me. I did have one doctor who wanted to a transvaginal ultrasound (which I went ahead with) to ensure that my kidney function was not being compromised by stretched ureters. That all turned out OK, and showed that I can fully empty my bladder. She was quite happy about that, and I was reassured that Wholewoman techniques were indeed working well to manage the POPs.

I think we have to be open to what our doctors tell us, or what they recommend, but they need to be able to justify what they want to do and why, before I will take on their recommendation.

Cheers

Louise