JUST HOW DOES ONE LIVE WELL WITH A 3RD DEGREE PROLAPSE?

Submitted by Christine on March 9, 2008 - 10:29pm

After having been asked this question a couple of weeks ago, I have been so-o-o-o struggling to answer. I think maybe because I have already answered it…in a book, a dvd, a thousand forum posts and another two thousand emails. Sitting here staring at my computer – again – I’ve come to the conclusion that I can’t answer it.
So…I am asking my dear WholeWomen for help. Perhaps I will have more energy to answer if we can respond as a group.

Love,

Christine

Comments

louiseds

June 1, 2009 - 2:50am

Hi Fruitful

Re posture, and your LOL, If you start from the top, and relax downwards you might find it helps. I try to suspend myself from the crown of my head, which tucks my chin, lengthens my neck and lifts my breasts. Then I relax my shoulders (which are always tense!). Then I relax my belly which tilts my pelvis forwards slightly, but actually seems to straighten and relax my lumbar curve. Last thing is loose knees and parallel feet planted firmly.

Firebreathing is not part of my routine so ???

I cannot quite get nauli either. ;-)

I am sure your first DVD will turn up. Just get the second one if you are going to spend money.

Hope these are helpful.

L

clavicula

June 25, 2009 - 5:21am

Great to have you here, it is a healing place, you'll see.
Stick around!
Liv

nk00300

August 11, 2009 - 1:00pm

Following the birth of my second child 33 years ago, my uterus prolapsed. Not knowing any better, I believed the doctor when he told me that the best option was just to remove it. At no point did he volunteer, nor did I think to ask about, the possible later repercussions of that decision.

I now have grade 3-4 enterocele and cystocele, and grade 1-2 rectocele, all of which were causing me significant problems in my daily life, and seemed to be getting worse. My gyno recommended surgery to fix all three 'celes, with that same sort of assuredness that all would be well following the sacral colpopexy and related procedures. I initially agreed to the surgery, mostly because my symptoms were worsening and I was afraid that I'd soon be faced with urinary or fecal incontinence, but I told the doctor I didn't want the surgery for at least three months so I could have sufficient time to get mentally prepared for what seemed to be very extensive repairs.

It was during this time that I found the Whole Woman website. I learned so many things, not the least of which was that other women were successfully living -- and I mean LIVING -- their lives with similar conditions. Over the course of the next several weeks I ordered Christine's book, read the various posts, and learned enough from all of you about posture, clothing, urination position, etc. that I started to see some improvement in my symptoms. Within 6 weeks things had improved sufficiently that I called my doctor and told him I was going to indefinitely postpone the surgery.

Today, 10 weeks later, I feel like a new person. I still have the enterocele, the cystocele and the rectocele, but they no longer represent a problem in my daily life. I have been able to resume my former habit of walking 2 miles per day, and climbing the 4 flights of steps to my office. I no longer wear anything tight around my abdomen, and I've adopted the other posture techniques from the WW book.

Thank you -- all of you -- for sharing your stories and successes. Thank you for providing a true sisterhood and for letting me borrow your strength when my own was low. Thank you for helping me understand that there are alternatives to surgery. I plan to pay it forward, in a small way, by trying to educate my doctor that symptoms can improve if lifestyle changes are adopted.

Let's raise a toast to strong, whole women everywhere.

Christine

August 11, 2009 - 2:17pm

This is such wonderful news, nk! My instincts want to believe that the very best thing for women without their uterus is exactly this work. Your pelvic outlet is still at the back and without holding your bladder and intestines toward the front, they are subject to being pushed out by the forces of intraabdominal pressure - no matter how hard the surgeons try to suture them in.

How is your lower back holding up?

Thank you with all my heart!

Christine

smit

January 20, 2010 - 1:01pm

while reading this forum I read a few of your mails, were very helpful and motivative. I am sure you know but just to mention, the night shade veges are not good for arthrities.
Thank you

Ribbit

January 23, 2010 - 9:43pm

I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and pre-MS when I was 20. Taking wheat out of my diet helped a good bit with the aches and constant muscle and joint pain. This was an alternative doctor who diagnosed me. I went to him mainly because I've had awful cysts on my skin since I was about 10 (I'm 32 now) and no doctor had ever been able to help. This alternative doctor did not help with the skin, unfortunately, but I learned about my wheat allergy from him. Four and a half years ago I found the Blood Type Diet and learned that blood types A and O should not eat most plants in the nightshade family. I quit eating them and lo and behold, my skin cleared up. Turns out, I have a severe nightshade allergy. Not only did my skin clear up, but the remainder of the fibromyalgia vanished. If I eat potatoes or peppers my skin will break out incredibly bad, and my whole body aches with pain. A reaction lasts up to three months. I avoid them like the plague. If I even touch a pepper, or inhale them when they're cooking, I will react as severely as if I'd eaten them. Nasty things, nightshades. In blood type O they are well-known (in the Blood Type Diet community) for causing arthritis.

louiseds

January 24, 2010 - 12:53am

Hi Ribbit and others

What exactly is in the nightshades that is problematic? Alkaloids are common in plants that we use as foods. Why are some alkaloids more toxic than others?I do know that tomatoes are supposed to be more digestible if they are cooked, and you get more leucopene from them too. Does cooking affect the other nightshades in any way? Or can the harmful chemicals be neutralised by adding anything else during cooking? Acids perhaps?

They are offer such a varied and rich source of so many nutriments; it would be a pity to eliminate them unnecessaarily if they could be detoxified. Many primitive cultures find very valuable foods are highly toxic if not pre-treated or cooked before consumption.

Of course, the toxic substances are there for a reason. They are there to give predators, which include humans, a tummmy ache or worse from eating them, so we cannot totally blame the humble nightshade for wanting to survive! One of the dangers of breeding foods so they are less toxic is that they need more pesticides used on them, because they become more palatable and less toxic to all predators. Ya can't win!

L

Ribbit

January 24, 2010 - 9:14pm

The chemicals are scopolamine and solanine. I just went on wikipedia and spent an hour reading descriptions of myself. *sigh*

There are many different "problem" chemicals in nightshades, but these two seem to be the worst. In sensitive individuals such as myself, they are reported as causing hallucinations, confusion, memory loss, etc. It doesn't say anything about cysts, but that's what they do to me, in addition to all the mental stuff.

I also learned that, frustratingly enough, they have isolated the solanine and are using it as a pesticide, although usage isn't common. Last month there was an article in "Mother Earth News" reporting that they're going to be using it on organic produce. Which means I can't eat it. But there's no way to know if what I'm eating has been sprayed with it, which means no food is safe. Guess I'll be growing a big garden this year.

From what I have learned through the Blood Type Diet forums, the only one that really changes when cooked is tomatoes. The tomato lectin is stronger in cooked tomatoes. Wikipedia notes that potatoes, when deep fried, lose the toxins because they go into the grease. Simply boiling them doesn't remove anything at all.

Sorry, I'm rambling, but it's really making me paranoid.

louiseds

January 25, 2010 - 10:53pm

No Ribbit, you are not rambling. Thanks for sharing the results of your reading. I can understand your dismay.

The pesticide problem might not end up being as much of a problem as you fear, if it will be applied to the outside of the plant, and may just fool the bugs into thinking they are landing or chomping on toxic leaves, so they might just go somewhere else. Detergent may get it off if it is oil soluble. Also, many insect pests do their damage much earlier in the plant's life than fruiting stage, and it may never get anywhere near the parts that you eat, eg younger leaves and fruits, because it will eventually break down or else its presence will be diluted because the plant parts may be very small when applied, so not many particles will be on it once it assumes its ripe dimensions. And it won't be for all pests. I have yet to meet a budworm that was bothered by these toxins in ripening tomatoes! Don't panic yet.

I will be interested to read more about this as it unfolds.

Louise

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