When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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Christine Kent
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Christine
January 17, 2006 - 9:34am
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January 17, 2006 - 10:05am
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granolamom
January 17, 2006 - 5:33pm
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I have to admit that initially my prolapse got worse and I developed a rectocele in addition to my cystocele. It took me a few weeks to get used to the posture. I walk briskly on a treadmill for exercise and I do the 'womb walk' with my kids for fun/posture work.
I'd say it took a few months until I no longer felt pressure and the 'falling out' feeling all the time. and a bit longer for my mind to come around and accept my 'new normal'.
it takes time, but chances are it'll be ok. maybe not the way it was, but still ok.
mommynow
January 17, 2006 - 12:34pm
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Hi Mommi2three
I got my prolapse right after the birth. I didn't have any symptoms during my pregnancy. I mentioned it in the hospital the next day (that my insides felt like they were coming out!) and they told me is probably from the pressure. So......I went on for several months thinking this was normal.
mommi2three
January 17, 2006 - 10:11am
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Hi Mommynow,
Those are great questions. I am a newbie here and would also greatly appreciate the experiences of others on this site. I am anxious to stabilize my prolapses. I have read some of ur threads but not sure if u said ur pregnant now that have caused ur current prolapse problems or was ur onset of prolapses prior to ur pregnancy/other pregnancies?
mommi2three
January 17, 2006 - 7:21pm
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thanks for ur support Granola mom. I was just wondering if u have only the 2 prolapses...cysto/rectocele? the cystocele doesn't seem to bother me much but i notice the pressure from the uterine prolapse when I am on my feet for 2 hrs or so in the kitchen. Two hours was nothing b4 the universal prolapses began but now it is enough to tire me out down there. how long have u had ur prolapses? i am surprised (but glad) to hear that u can do the treadmill. You don't feel pressure or tired down there after walking on the treadmill?
I am just not sure what i can do without getting too much pressure down there. Sometimes just food shopping for a couple of hrs feels strained there. Still trying to figure out the posture.
thanks!
granolamom
January 18, 2006 - 5:14pm
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I started out with the cystocele, then developed the rectocele. Now I can tell that my uterus is sometimes lower than it is at other times and while I don't think it falls into a 'prolapse' category (maybe its still within normal limits?) when its low everything else is more noticable.
at first I wasn't able to stand for more than an hour or two. I remember the first weekend after I discovered the cystocele...we took the kids to the mall. I was practically in tears from the walking. It was so depressing to think that I wouldn't be able to lead an active life..and I was only 32! After a few weeks of postural work I began to notice that I didn't notice how long I had been on my feet..def. a good sign!
I gave it another month or so and gradually began resuming my walking, although very differently. I walked slowly and really focused on my posture. Now I'm up to a nice brisk walk, I only walk 20 min or so but that's because that's all my kids will allow me.
oh and to answer your question, I've had the cystocele since June or so.
mommi2three
January 18, 2006 - 7:26pm
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o thank u so much for ur reply! yes, it makes sense what u describe. I was shocked that i couldn't be do these normal house chores w/o feeling like a old lady. An hour or so seems like such a short amount of time to be on ur feet when u have a busy household! You described it so well. Since my mother in law has a hysterectomy from endometriosis she can't really understand what i am going thru. I think she thinks it is strange that i am so "limited" but i feel like there r other people who knows what i am going thru.
mommynow
January 19, 2006 - 12:39pm
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Thanks granolamom. It is nice to hear how it is helping others. I am at the point where I have bad days and better days, where before it was always bad. I am still not on my feet for long periods of time though but before I felt the horrible pressure even when just standing a few minutes. I feel like I have more control (on my better days) because I am holding my daughter and carrying her more without worrying that it will make the prolapse worse. I just make sure to stand with my organs supported by my pelvis. It took about 2 weeks for my back to get used to this posture because my muscles aren't aching anymore. It is still weird walking but getting better. I ordered the brace you recommended Christine because I am going to be going back to work in a few months (I'm a teacher) and just want something for support in case. I also got the sea pearls and will try them soon.
Christine it has only been a little over a week since I ordered them so I don't expect them here yet. Probably by the end of the week.
Mommi2three, how are you doing?
I mentioned this alternative on UPRISE and they blocked it out????? I don't understand. I feel like women should be aware of all the alternatives.
I also gave my sister's friend this link and all your other links (homepage and book/video) to try and inform her that she has another choice because she is scheduled for a hysterectomy. Her doctor told her to wait until she was done having kids (now) and hysterectomy is the only choice. I have tried desperately to inform her but I think she is going to go ahead with it. She was asking how removing her uterus could cause more prolapse and I explained but I think her doctor is going to win over me unfortunatley.
sybille
January 19, 2006 - 2:45pm
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Isn't it amazing how UPRISE is so narrow minded! It's almost as if they prefer to have the corner market on women who are desperately looking for answers, never mind their mental agony they are going through finding out they have something that can be so devastating and then thinking surgery is the only option. Oh yes, UPRISE will tell you to "do your homework" like a good girl. There are "other options" before resorting to surgery but nowhere and I mean nowhere do they help out and offer those "other options." At least not last week.
I have visited Pelvicfloor.com a few times and the doctor facilitating this forum will be linking wholewoman.com from his site. (And to think I encouraged him to also link UPRISE) Now - that is a man willing to share all aspects of pelvic floor abnormalities and doesn't feel threatened by women wanting to gather ALL information and make an informed decision. Too bad that the facilitator, Catherine, at UPRISE cannot adopt this shoulder to shoulder willingness.
Sybille
Christine
January 20, 2006 - 8:28am
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Good morning,
This is a very complicated issue that causes people to shut down in inexplicable ways. When all the women in your family have had the surgery and encourage you in that same direction, when your doctor is swearing to you with a straight face that there are no proven risks, when you
Christine
January 21, 2006 - 8:58am
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Hi Mommi2three,
Thanks for your genuine message and update. It
mommi2three
January 20, 2006 - 9:18pm
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Hi Mommynow and ladies,
Thanks for inquiring. I am doing ok today. I have to admit that i am probably practicing the posture 50% of the time. I do find that it helps alot when standing. My worst posture is when i am on the computer on the couch. I like to sit with the computer with my knees bent and my feet tucked on one side on the sofa. It sounds ridiculous that it is comfortable even as i describe it. ;p But it's a bad habit. My back is definitely all curled up.
Do you feel like ur prolapses are stabilizing? I feel like I am having better days so that is a good sign. When I went to the gyns a month ago they said I had a grade 1 uterine prolapse. Obesessive me is now checking down there every so often. So I notice when i do a half squat and look in the mirror down there I can see the cervix.....so is that a grade 2? It is not coming out but I can see it at the opening when i bend my knees. So I am not sure if my condition has worsened or if I am just used to this new displacement of internal organs? Should I feel more pressure when i see my cervix lower? Today I didn't feel that pressure when i looked but it is lower. Just trying to gage what is "normal" now since it seemed to have changed quite a bit in a short amount of time.
This site has given me hope that women are managing well without surgery. Thanks Christine! It is like a light in a long and dark tunnel when no one else my age can relate to this. It was quite difficult initially b/c I went to 2 gyns that didn't seem to think much of it. They didn't give me any referrals for support or much acknowledgement and just said pelvic relaxation is part of childbirth trauma. Well, I guess i expected some resources so I can manage my activities of daily living (like being a normal mom!).
I didn't know any other young moms who have to sit or lay down after cooking or cleaning. They are runnning errands, shuffling kids to classes, and going to the gym. It was my lowest moment when I came to a halt. But so good to get some support here with old timers and newbies like u. Keep in touch. Btw, kudos to my general practitioner who actually gave me a handout on pelvic exercises. I would only hope more female gyns become more proactive with prevention and maintanence. I am sure that some of them have POP too!
hi to Granola mommma who has shared so much of her experience with us.
mommynow
January 21, 2006 - 10:23am
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Hi Mommi2three
I am right with you when you described not knowing others your age with this problem. My friend had a baby at the same time as me and we were planning so many things to do after the babies. She went on to jog etc. and I felt so depressed. It was awful. I am happy to have met you. I hope we can go through this journey together.
I have stopped "checking things out" down there because it just causes me to be more anxious.
I have totally changed my posture standing, walking, and sitting. The first couple weeks were very hard because I used to sit on the recliner all the time when I rested in the V position. Now if I sit that way, it feels uncomfortable down there. I get this tingling feeling. I have had pretty good success holding the posture during standing because if I come out of it, I feel more pressure so my body is helping me stay in check. The part I have the hardest time holding though is elongating my neck. To go on the laptop I sit cross-legged on the floor with the laptop on the coffee table. Would that work for you.
Something that has really helped me is yoga (as long as I avoid the standing position with tailbone tucked under) because it stregthens my legs and butt and I can hold the posture better. Plus it is healing for my soul :) Anything I do to work my butt muscles seems to help the most in eleveating the symptoms.
Now I am thinking about how to have my next child. I am pretty sure I will go the midwife route instead and go as natural as possible. My epidural/laying on my back labour and delivery was NOT GOOD.
I like you get tired very easily. I can't even imagine have 3 kids. I feel very depressed a lot that this happened when I was so young but I am trying to look for the "meaning" in all this. One thing that happened is I have spent A LOT of time with my daughter and I, not rushing around doing things because I couldn't. I am thankful for that. Thank goodness I have a very supportive husband.