When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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aza
November 4, 2010 - 1:39pm
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Not crazy ;)
Hi there,
It sounds to me like you have had a long-term problem that has had no name nor recognition. This would drive anyone a bit loopy and I can understand why you are questioning yourself, but honestly, take a look at the facts of what you have just described. 18 months of constant pain, an awful urge to pee that most other people cannot conceive of, and now a twisty stomach symptom.
Why would you think you are making a fuss? We come from a long cultural history of negating women in general, and women's reproductive problems in particular. You deserve to get these things checked out and remedied. Simple as that. No fuss, not a nutter, just a grown woman wanting answers. Good luck, and don't settle for less!
crazy
November 4, 2010 - 2:24pm
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Thanks for that. Women's
Thanks for that. Women's problems. What a nightmare!
tillymama
November 4, 2010 - 2:34pm
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urethral irritation is awful
That sounds just horrible. I can't believe it has taken them so long to diagnose you. I'm interested in your urethral prolapse as I'm thinking my issues seem to be mostly around the urethra - feels locally irritated and swollen most of the time plus I have got the constant urge to pee. Does this sound like you?
I hope they manage to find out what the stomach twisty thing is soon for you too. Sound awful. {{{hugs}}}
crazy
November 4, 2010 - 3:41pm
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Yes, exactly what I'm
Yes, exactly what I'm experiencing. I know I don't actually need to pee though. I never, ever experience any form of incontinence which appears to be unusual. I'm sure I'm not emptying my bladder properly and sometimes I find myself pushing, which is when everything flares up. I can be up at least 8 times at night. I've had so many gynae problems over the years and should have had a hysterectomy. The twisting is either something to do with that, or else the prolapse has got worse. Onwards and upwards, as they say. Hope you get sorted soon.
aza
November 4, 2010 - 3:49pm
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Women with cystocele are not
Women with cystocele are not usually incontinent due to the angle of the bladder. Do you feel like this might be the case with you? And yes, that irritation sounds extremely annoying for sure.
I think you might find that there are many, many women who regret have lost their uterus. The fact that you still have your organs means that your potential for healing and improvement is far greater than that of a surgically altered body. Read through this forum and you will find some pretty telling stories of the fallacy of taking out the womb.
crazy
November 4, 2010 - 4:00pm
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That's exactly why I've
That's exactly why I've always fought against it, although I shall never know if that was wise, especially with the latest fiasco. I think the angle of the bladder must be playing a part. The irritation itself does die down and then comes back to bite me! I don't know why it dies down and what causes it to return. If I could work this out, then I might be able to make a more informed choice about how to fix the problem and save my sanity!
Christine
November 4, 2010 - 4:14pm
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lower urinary tract symptoms
"LUTS" is the new acronym being bandied about in the literature. It refers to the exact symptoms tillymama and crazy are experiencing. Isn't it interesting that it can occur acutely in the postpartum period and chronically in older women.
It is no secret that postpartum women heal much more quickly and we have had many say over the last few days that those very symptoms resolved over the course of several months to a year.
While the older prolapsed woman does not bounce back nearly as quickly, it would still be very well worth your while to see if you could reposition your organs enough to relieve these symptoms. You think your nerve-rich bladder is irritated now? Just wait until it is dissected away from your uterus in a hysterectomy. The new edition of the Village Post is still being uploaded, but you can read right now (sacral neuromodulation) about what scores of post-hysterectomy women are going through to try to normalize their mutilated and dysfunctional bladders.
I hope you will be able to see the benefit of self-healing the prolapse condition.
Wishing you well,
Christine
aza
November 4, 2010 - 4:17pm
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causes
Well, there can't be that many causative factors, maybe narrowing it down would be a good place to start? Hormonal fluctuations, inflammatory conditions, and structural causes come to mind immediately. Have you considered keeping a record of your diet, activity during the day, and other indications of what might be going on hormonally (being perimenopausal and trying to find some rhyme or reason might be crazy making indeed ;0 )
i found this article, pretty easy to read and mentions the various forms of urethral prolapse or irritation:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/443165-overview
Good luck...hope you find some answers soon
Christine
November 4, 2010 - 4:22pm
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supplemental estrogen?
This can cause severe urethral symptoms and new-onset urinary incontinence.
louiseds
November 5, 2010 - 5:47am
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Perimenopause
Hi Crazy
You may feel crazy. Perimenopause can be a very confusing time, because so much is varying in your body, and often several things are varying at the same time, in ways that they have never done before. Crazy indeed.
However, the good news is that this hiatus of abnormal things will pass eventually and a new normal will emerge. You will probably find that when you finally reach menopause (12 months after your last period) your body will be much calmer. You might be having different symptoms. You just deal with them as they present.
I look at perimenopause as being like labour. The contractions are mild and occasional at first, but become more frequent and more intense as labour progresses. Eventually it all reaches a crescendo at transition, and you want to scream out, "I can't do this any more!" Then second stage begins; things calm down a bit, and you can see that you are getting somewhere after all.
Hopefully we will be able to help you to navigate this challenging time, and help you to deal with this troublesome urethra of yours.
Louise
crazy
November 5, 2010 - 6:41am
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Thank you Louise I do hope
Thank you Louise
I do hope you're right. HRT has been suggested and I am about as excited about that idea as I was a hysterectomy! If only men could have babies, but then could we cope with the pain they would feel!
louiseds
November 5, 2010 - 8:49am
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Or as I once heard ...
If men had periods they would have done something about it by now!
But seriously, I didn't know whether or not you would be interested in HRT, but as I am not particularly keen to try it myself I didn't mention it. It is another possible ace up your or my sleeve, but I hope I never suffer enough to be tempted to use it. It was suggested to me about 2 years ago, but I just thought it was another can of unpredictable worms, and a way to get me back on the pharmaceutical drip feed. No thankyou. Yes, it was about as appealing as the hysterectomy that was suggested for me too!
Louise
alemama
November 5, 2010 - 9:29am
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susan weed?
anyone heard of her? She promotes natural foods for HRT instead. She has a book. You can probably read it at the library.
crazy
November 5, 2010 - 10:55am
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Kegel excercises
Christine, I've just read your very interesting article on Kegel excercises and couldn't agree more. I have continued to exercise since having my children many years ago and can't imagine that I have a problem. However, I am expecting my consultant to suggest that I do plenty of these exercises when I see him next week. I really hope that he doesn't and that I'm wrong. Everything you say makes perfect sense to me.
Christine
November 5, 2010 - 1:17pm
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making sense
Women can easily sense of the truth of their bodies! Thanks, Crazy!
Christine
November 5, 2010 - 1:20pm
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Susun Weed
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