When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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Christine Kent
Founder
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louiseds
June 12, 2011 - 8:38pm
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doing it right?
It is not a matter of imitating. Understanding the principles from the book is the way I realised what I had to do, and discussing it with others on the Forums.
Understanding what is what inside your body is the other part. I suggest that you use your fingers to identify your own organs in different positions and figure out how they change position in different postures. There is no need to do it repeatedly once you know where everything is. Use the self-exam in the book as a starting point.
Joining the two up so they reconcile is the aim.
Louise
doubtful
June 13, 2011 - 5:21am
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posture
Hi POP girl
I found it takes time to perfect the posture, and to be able to maintain it all the time. I'd agree with Louise that it's essential to understand the reasons for the posture by studying the book. Then it's a questions of trial and error. It is easy to forget at first and it is tiring at first, but with practice, and asking questions to reassure yourself when it feels hard, or not quite right, it really does become second nature.
Doubtful
louiseds
June 13, 2011 - 6:57am
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It is the same as learning anything physical
It is like learning a new dance, or a musical instrument, or learning tennis from scratch. It can feel weird for quite a while, and you don't think you are getting anywhere, then one thing becomes easier, then another, then another. I think it is called muscle memory.
Different people learn in different ways. Some learn by being physically taught. Others learn by reading and interpreting. Others learn by imitation.
The more you practise, the quicker you will learn.
POPgurl
June 13, 2011 - 7:03am
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Never Learned to Dance
I guess the problem is that I never DID learn any dance well enough to know it from muscle memory. I was the classic girl geek-- totally and completely uncoordinated! Is Christine thinking about expanding to having Whole Woman Workouts offered at local gyms and dance studios and community centers? It could be like Jazzercise or Zumba or other franchised excerise classes like that! I would LOVE to attend a class with other prolapsed women, learn the posture firsthand, and workout with other women!
granolamom
June 13, 2011 - 2:55pm
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learning the posture
hi POPgurl
it took me a long time to learn the posture, mostly from reading the posts here and about a month of trying to understand the philosophy and which movements make which contributions, etc. so it took me over a month I'd say, and I'm a physical therapist! so its not just you!
that said, you can learn it and when you get it right you will know. it will feel right.
until then, keep at it, keep trying to understand what it is you are trying to accomplish and play with it.
read as many posts describing the posture here as you can, different phrases or explanations help different people. "proud holding" of the abdomen helped me visualize how the belly would look (not hanging out or flopping forward), shoulders down and broad "like a coat hanger" was another helpful phrase for me. but read on and you'll find key phrases that help you visualize.
keep at it, you'll get it! (and ask away...I must've asked thousands of questions when I first got here)
POPgurl
June 15, 2011 - 12:43am
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Thank you GranolaMOm
Thank you for your encouragement. Good to know even a physical therapist found it challenging at first.
Shekina
June 16, 2011 - 10:58am
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WW posture
I have a question, I am doing ww posture for about 3 weeks, but I notice that my stomach is coming out a lot??? They asked if I am pregnant???
My stomach is going forward, I think because I raise my chest from last rib, and maybe the stomach comes with it up ?
Is that normal in you guys, do you also have a protruding stomach?
Please some one help,
Christine
June 16, 2011 - 11:35am
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WW belly
Hi Shekina,
It could be that you are more used to the cultural ideal of a flat belly than the gentle, outward curve of natural female posture. It does take time to get used to "loving your belly". Until recent times, the belly was always portrayed as soft and relaxed - as it must be for proper breathing and organ placement. If your chest is lifted, you should experience a "proud holding", which looks entirely different from the classic "suck and tuck" posture we are used to seeing.
My guess is, you're just not used to holding your stomach in this way. It is the "toughest sell" of the WW work...but once women get it, they love it.
Good luck!
Christine
doubtful
June 16, 2011 - 2:05pm
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the belly
Hi Shekina
My belly stuck out a lot at first and after quite a few months I realized i was overdoing the lumbar curve and certainly overdoing the fruit and vegetables in my quest for a healthier diet. Interestingly it hardly sticks out at all now that I have adjusted those two things. What I also notice is that my abdominal muscles are firmer than they used to be from all the months of pulling up. My stomach isn't flat, but I certainly don't look pregnant of post natal any more and have lost the slight jelly belly effect that I had ever since babies when i was always trying to suck it in. Hope that's some encouragement. It also took me a long time to get used to a slightly more womanly figure, but with time you really won't look pregnant.
Doubtful
Shekina
June 16, 2011 - 3:01pm
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the belly
Thank you doubtfull, I guess I have to get used to it.
Will get better at it.
Shekina
June 16, 2011 - 3:01pm
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WW belly
Thanks Christine !
happysheep
June 17, 2011 - 1:15pm
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What little I know
I could identify with the lady who said she has to come across the right "picture words" to help her see what to do. Well, this is what I see when I am pulling up into WW posture. I can picture my pelvic bones the way Christine has showed us--as a totally secure boney structure that is perfectly made for the job--and I can see that this boney structure is tilted forward! Then I pull up into posture with my lower back and shoulders, knees, feet and chin. In my mind, I picture all of my organs (that I am trying to preserve) being put into my pelvic area like objects being put into a "basket" or a "pocket". When I do this, it feels really healthy and right to me and it really feels like I am doing something very specific to take care of myself.
I hope someone might find this helpful.
Christine
June 17, 2011 - 1:18pm
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right on
;)
louiseds
June 17, 2011 - 8:58pm
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pocket
I like your idea of a pocket. It implies 'putting in', rather than 'pushing up'. The organs will stay there if they are put in, whereas they will simply push back down if they are pushed up.
:-)