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Comments
smebrenda
March 27, 2006 - 2:57pm
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cesarian birth article
My prolapse and dealing with it has vividly recalled my pregnancy experience to me. Laying flat on a table, rather than allowing gravity to do some of the work, after being administered a drug to induce stronger contractions and pushing with all my might.
Surely all that pushing was not necessary and possibly the drug? After that an apesiotomy.
Perhaps these methods, still largely being used, should be looked into rather than the use of the cesarian method.
MeMyselfAndI
March 28, 2006 - 12:44am
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Caesar Vs Vaginal Birth
I think that ''The Birthing Industry'' need to sit down and think abut things - They tell us to push push push for hours when if we do not push the baby still comes down, That is the way the body works - That is what contractions are all about - I really think they should let the woman who is giving birth take control of HER birth. I know my last birth was different - cos I did not push for ages and ages - In fact I only gaveone or two small pushes - and there she was. My first birth they used forceps and I know thatis where my prolapse began.
Sue
fullofgrace
March 28, 2006 - 6:14pm
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Diatribe of Modern Birth
The women on my homebirth after cesearan list are up in arms about this kind of "unsound" obstetrics. The OB's have created a system whereby they put women in the worst possible positions for birth, give them drugs that are far worse than the drugs the advise women to avoid during pregnancy, but somehow at the end of pregnancy it's okay for the infant to be exposed to these????, and set up a series of interventions that cascade one into the other until many women end up with c/sections. Then those poor women who feel victimized or feel grief at the those loss of the birth experience they and their newborn needed to move into motherhood are forced by AGOD--oh, I mean ACOG to have a repeat c/s because the repair of the uterus that these supposedly so compent OB's have sewn may be weak and come loose in another birth, especially when they administer drugs to augment labor like pitocin and the drug cyotec (whose makers say NOT to USE on Pregnant women and definitely NOT to INDUCE or AUGMENT labor). These drugs create contractions that can blow out a healthy uterus let alone a scarred (or is it scared--or does it really matter?) uterus and how must those horrendous, unnatural, overlapping contractions torment that little soul who is trying to enter our world? The sad thing is though that many women are afraid of birth because our society does not embrace it--we have moved it from the home to where it is supposedly safe, yet we have one of the worst infant mortality rates in the world---with all of our technology we cannot improve the outcomes and is that very technology actually worsening them? We moved birth to the hospital where there is staph infections and all kind of other ills and say that that is safe and that it can be pain free. Instead of teaching women the birth rite, of pain with a purpose, of moving and listening to the pain. As I labored with my second daughter, there was a rhythm to the contractions that dictated the dance my body was to perform in order to move my daugher down. The contraction would hit and I would move into a different position and I would feel my body move into a different position always closer to the position of my baby being in my arms. It was beautiful. Yes it hurt, but I have had stomach flu cramping episodes that were worse--in fact during those episodes I had wished I was in labor because at least I knew there would be a few moments of rest until the next contraction. I had pain, but not fear.
Jane
UKmummy
March 28, 2006 - 9:05pm
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So with you Jane! My first
So with you Jane, Brenda and Sue! My first delivery was all interventions except for forceps and episiotomy even though I had worked and studied for a natural birth. I pushed and pushed and I am sure that it contributed to my prolapse this time. My second "natural" delivery just nine weeks ago was beautiful, liberating and so very peaceful. It still brings tears to my eyes when I think about it. My baby was so much more alert and responsive this time around too! What a fiasco the entire "birthing industry" has become, how far we have traveled from the ways in which our perfectly designed bodies are supposed to labor and deliver. I am so grateful that I got the chance, (with wonderful midwives and doula), to do it the way I dreamed of this time and I still hanker to perhaps do it one more time? Nothing can replace those feelings one has with a new babe in arms, I sit here and dream............:)
MeMyselfAndI
March 29, 2006 - 1:04am
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Epi's and forceps
I so remember my first birth - I was 20 and 4mths scared as hell. They shouted orders at me and said push push (They had injected me with something in my thigh that left a hand sized bruise - i forget its name - supposed to be a painkiller)
Then they did the forceps thing - After that for a long long time I felt like a brick was gonna fall out of me.
my 2nd son they just 'did' an episiotomy - it must be a thing they did then in Uk Outer london.
Now - 13yrs on I had my 3rd child and yes i tore, but there was no 'let's episiotomy now' and I was glad of that as the tear was less painful to heal afterwards.
Just because we have the means - Does not mean it is right.
I really think women should lead the way in birth cos it seems to me that men just try to rip the baby out and get it over with - And faster is not always better.
Sue
fullofgrace
March 29, 2006 - 5:00pm
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birth is beautiful in the right hands
My third birth was so awesome it has left me wanting another. It is such a wonderful feeling to look at that new life. What a gift! I think it was neat that my midwives showed up just in time to deliver him. I felt God orchestrated that. I loved them and they were willing to have my body push the baby out, but it was nice to be in full control.
Unfortunately, it's not only men who are anxious to rip the baby out; my ob who was getting off of a 12 hour shift an hour after she did my c/s was a woman. This is the OB I should have abandoned when I told her I prefered to take my chances with a tear rather than an episotomy and she replied that it an epi was easier for her suture. Okay, let's do whatever is easier for you it's only my continence that is at stake here. Ugh!
Jane
UKmummy
March 30, 2006 - 9:39am
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Don't know if anyone saw on
Don't know if anyone saw on NBC news last night a story about the now almost 30% cesarian rate here in the states? It was discussing how many women are choosing c- sections out of convenience or to reduce problems such as incontinence. It featured an OB/GYN who herself made the choice to have c- sections for her three children and stated that it was better because she got back to running faster! She did say it is a personal choice for all women. (????) It seems to me as though the whole world has gone crazy..............